At the price point of the Gungir, is it the hands down way to go to pair with the Mjolnir? The Yulong D18 seems like a fine fit. Are there already comments on this comparison (Gungnir vs. D18) in this monster thread?
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Gear mentioned in this thread:post #2582 of 34053/9/13 at 7:46pmQuote:Originally Posted by Girls Generation
Nah, It'd be too awkward since LCD3 is already 2000, nobody will get the LCD3 since at that price people will just pay up $500 more for the shiny new toy. They'd be overlapping the LCD3 market. LCD2 - $995, LCD2 closed - $1195, LCD3 - $1695, LCD3 closed back - $1945, LCD4 - $2495. ??? Whatever, not expecting anything from Audez'e at this point.
Looking forward to getting the HD800 and hearing it on the Mjo/Gung. I'm genuinely worried that I might like HD800 better and sell the Audezes...
I still prefer the LCD-3s over the HD800s. Not by a huge margin, but enough for them to be my #2 go to headphone.Quote:
Exactly. Hard to keep up. I can't track their product listings either.post #2583 of 34053/10/13 at 7:00amQuote:I'm not sure if there's been a comparison of the two or not. However, I do have the D18 paired with the Mjolnir and they are amazing together. Comparing the 2 DACs in general, I believe alot more care in component selection for quality (not to keep cost down) went into the D18. There's also a few other things Yulong took in his approach that is harder to implement for sake of quality sound. The D18 will have lower jitter than the Gungnir too, since he uses the Sabre DACs own SPDIF input. Gungnir uses a seperate clocking system, which allows for a lower quality/jittery signal to lock onto. The downside of the D18 is that it has no USB, and you need a good SPDIF signal. The downside of the Gungnir is higher jitter and less focus on quality vs keeping costs down. Yulong made the decision to keep USB out of the D18 since theres a plethora of competent USB/SPDIF converters available and was able to put that savings into component selection. One look inside the Gungnir vs. D18 tells you that the D18 is a clear winner. That said, if you absolutely must have USB, go with Gungnir. Otherwise, spend savings of the D18 for a USB/SPDIF converter resulting in the same thing, but most likely resulting in a higher quality signal.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, the D18 runs NOS all through 24/192, not sure if Gungnir does the same or not.
Edited by brunk - 3/10/13 at 7:11ampost #2584 of 34053/10/13 at 9:59ampost #2585 of 34053/10/13 at 11:41amQuote:Originally Posted by brunk
I'm not sure if there's been a comparison of the two or not. However, I do have the D18 paired with the Mjolnir and they are amazing together. Comparing the 2 DACs in general, I believe alot more care in component selection for quality (not to keep cost down) went into the D18. There's also a few other things Yulong took in his approach that is harder to implement for sake of quality sound. The D18 will have lower jitter than the Gungnir too, since he uses the Sabre DACs own SPDIF input. Gungnir uses a seperate clocking system, which allows for a lower quality/jittery signal to lock onto. The downside of the D18 is that it has no USB, and you need a good SPDIF signal. The downside of the Gungnir is higher jitter and less focus on quality vs keeping costs down. Yulong made the decision to keep USB out of the D18 since theres a plethora of competent USB/SPDIF converters available and was able to put that savings into component selection. One look inside the Gungnir vs. D18 tells you that the D18 is a clear winner. That said, if you absolutely must have USB, go with Gungnir. Otherwise, spend savings of the D18 for a USB/SPDIF converter resulting in the same thing, but most likely resulting in a higher quality signal.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, the D18 runs NOS all through 24/192, not sure if Gungnir does the same or not.
Thanks for this. Yeah, I am not really concerned or have need for the USB. I was thinking more about the sound signature to compliment the Mjolnir (to smooth things out a bit). It appears the common opinion is that the Mjolnir is less romantic and more detail driven, so something like the D18 might land the stack's overall signature in the sweet spot for both fatigue free listening along with no compromises on detail retrieval. Thinking about D18 > Mjolnir > HE-500.post #2586 of 34053/10/13 at 1:29pmpost #2587 of 34053/10/13 at 2:22pmpost #2588 of 34053/10/13 at 3:10pmpost #2589 of 34053/10/13 at 3:15pmpost #2590 of 34053/10/13 at 3:18pmpost #2591 of 34053/10/13 at 3:46pmQuote:
It actually sounds really good. Good bass control, extended highs (for a wide-range speaker), lots of plankton, and a very involving listen.
I initially had the Mjolnir has a pre-amp feeding the Crest CA-2. After I confirmed with Jason that the Mjolnir wouldn't melt with a 8+ ohm load (the Fostex drivers), I wanted to give it a shot. Naturally, it sounds much better straight out of the Molnir than the Crest - less crap in the way. Plenty of juice and sufficient gain considering the speakers are 93-94db efficient.
The silver thing on the bottom is a cheap Belkin power strip / conditioner. I think of it as a fancy power strip which turns on the equipment in the right order.post #2592 of 34053/10/13 at 9:15pmpost #2593 of 34053/11/13 at 12:16am
The Mjolnir sounds way better than the Crest. The CA-2 maybe has a hair bit more apparent bass extension and control, but we are splitting hairs - talking about 2-3%. (For reference, the EC Super 7 with the BK-16 kit had wooly bass. Too much so for my tastes.) The CA-2 output is rather dead and lifeless, even though it's got gobs of power, compared to the Mjolnir. It's all about microdynamics and plankton for me which keeps things involving. I did think the CA-2 sounded pretty good - that is until I got the crazy idea to run the speakers from the headphone jacks of the Mjolnir. The Mjolnir hasn't blown up yet and it doesn't seem too hot either.
I am using EQ (JRiver with EasyQ plug-in) for the Fostex kit BTW - based on measurements at the listening position.post #2594 of 34053/11/13 at 2:21ampost #2595 of 34053/19/13 at 8:31pmQuote:Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard
Faint praise. It's higher bias than the 300W Stereophile Recommended Components (B-Class) speaker amps I used to design.
Name me something else near the price anywhere near that level. There's nothing out there. Name me something else near the price with a circlotron-style topology. There's nothing out there. Mjolnir doesn't have to apologize to anyone. When I said all of our new products would be "one and only," that's exactly what I meant.
Sorry to sound a little testy, we have to re-set perceptions. We don't operate on a "what can you sell it for, with plenty of margins for dealers thrown in" basis. We operate on a "what can we build it for in the USA while paying our people a decent wage, and what's the lowest price we can sell it for and still run a stable, long-term business with great customer service," basis. We're not traditional boutique audio, and we're not DIY.
Of course, it could still sound like crap. But I'm pretty confident that's not what the reviews will say.
And this is why I chose to buy a Mjolnir! At some point I think American consumers are going to have to re-calibrate how they think and act with respect to their spending habits. A superior product with regards to innovation technically and beyond competitive in price, while helping build business and employment in the states, well it's about time to start supporting businesses like this one if at all possible.
That's some good Schiit right there eh? ;0)
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