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post #2311 of 3273
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

O2 amp, ODAC dac people who believe that the O is the ceiling.

 

 

 

As much as I would like to laugh at this, I have encountered far too many of these people around head-fi. I'm left scratching my head, and they pass this idea onto far too many new members. 

post #2312 of 3273
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As much as I would like to laugh at this, I have encountered far too many of these people around head-fi. I'm left scratching my head, and they pass this idea onto far too many new members. 

Some people seem to consider objectivists a threat or annoying. Like they're atheists protesting Christianity or whatever analogy applies. I personally like looking at both subjective and objective perspectives and making my decision. In my book, fidelity comes second to enjoying music - even though I look at equipment objectively I understand the mental impact some tweaks to an audio system can have on people and it's a powerful effect.
post #2313 of 3273
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Some people seem to consider objectivists a threat or annoying. Like they're atheists protesting Christianity or whatever analogy applies. I personally like looking at both subjective and objective perspectives and making my decision. In my book, fidelity comes second to enjoying music - even though I look at equipment objectively I understand the mental impact some tweaks to an audio system can have on people and it's a powerful effect.

 

It's an annoyance more than anything. This same problem has been pushed by new users here well before the O2, but for some reason the O2 has gained some ubiquity. Many people who rave about this DAC purchase it as one of their first purchases or as an upgrade. Does it sound great compared to what they are upgrading from? Absolutely. Will it beat the DACs those people have? Definitely. Does it beat every DAC out there? Well in that users experience, yes it does. What's annoying is that these users who don't have experience with a range of DACs then go around saying it the best thing you can buy.

 

What's really annoying that this same issue happens every few years with various products. New people come around looking for recommendations and get poor recommendations from these users who don't have much experience and then the new person gets disappointed with a poor purchase. It's become so common, I gave up trying to correct any issues or misinformation and started browsing other audio forums. 

 

Am I saying it's a low quality DAC/Amp? Certainly not. I think they are wonderful for the price, I can't think of many things that give a better value. But suggesting that the ODAC (with usb implementation) is on par or exceeds every DAC out there is inexperienced. 

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Originally Posted by Erukian View Post


Some people seem to consider objectivists a threat or annoying. Like they're atheists protesting Christianity or whatever analogy applies. I personally like looking at both subjective and objective perspectives and making my decision. In my book, fidelity comes second to enjoying music - even though I look at equipment objectively I understand the mental impact some tweaks to an audio system can have on people and it's a powerful effect.

 

I find a lot of the hard core objectivists to be closed minded, dogmatic and annoying.

As far as I'm concerned, there's enough room on Head Fi for everyone's opinion.

I get irritated when hard core objectivists insist the subjectivists are air headed believers in fairy tales and voodoo. 

 

Anyway, the music should always come first, if it didn't I wouldn't enjoy listening to music in my car....the factory stereo I have in my car is bleh.

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LCD beating O2 MK1. Now I've seen it all wink.gif

 

Solude thinks the LCD-2 rev.1 beats the Stax O2 flat down, purrin thinks the O2 is miles and miles ahead of the LCD-3...

 

I love and kept them all - in my total ignorance :P

post #2316 of 3273

It depends.

 

Non-veiled LCD3 (or HD800) from a TOTL tube (or solid-state too for LCD3) amp > O2 from anything less than a suitable TOTL 'stat amp.

O2 from a suitable TOTL 'stat amp > LCD3 

 

It look me the longest time to fully get into 'stats for this reason.


Edited by purrin - 1/3/13 at 12:33pm
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I think O2 and LCD-3 are so different it is hard to call the one better than the other...

 

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It depends.

 

Non-veiled LCD3 (or HD800) from a TOTL tube amp > O2 from anything less than a suitable TOTL 'stat amp.

O2 from a suitable TOTL 'stat amp > LCD3 

 

It look me the longest time to fully get into 'stats for this reason.

post #2318 of 3273

True. But the "<" and ">" were according to preferences. In other words ">" means "was preferred over", not necessarily better. Wait, it does mean better, because I prefer one over the other, which does imply better, at least to me. :-)

 

I don't tend to keep lots of stuff around.

post #2319 of 3273

I think the O2 and LCD aren't all that different...

 

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That said, I wouldn't say the LCD whooped the O2.  More that it was as good technically on my rig, KGSS/DA220MKII at the time, but the O2 was grainy and despite going as deep didn't have that ortho impact.  Was the grain the O2 or the gear, who knows.   That selling the Stax rig padded my bank account didn't hurt ;)

 

The other HUGE reason... once you go stat... you're done.  Then it was the 007, now the 009.  Your options once invested are really really small.  The hobby portion of rolling gear is essentially over.  After four years, I missed trying new gear.  The other side is top Stax cans and HeadAmp gear holds value so in the end its less expensive to go top teir Stax than dynamics.  Better to think of Stax route as money in solid form than money spent ;)


Edited by Solude - 1/3/13 at 12:25pm
post #2320 of 3273
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The other HUGE reason... once you go stat... you're done.  Then it was the 007, now the 009.  Your options once invested are really really small.  The hobby portion of rolling gear is essentially over.  After four years, I missed trying new gear.  The other side is top Stax cans and HeadAmp gear holds value so in the end its less expensive to go top teir Stax than dynamics.  Better to think of Stax route as money in solid form than money spent ;)

 

Nothing wrong with have Stax along with other gear? You do not have to go TOTL all the way :P

 

And it is not all about reolution and detail retrival - I enjoy the HD650 and the 007 for different reasons and wouldn't like to be seperated from neither. 

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I am a minimalist =)

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Yeah. Sort of like keeping number of wives to a minimum. Much less hassle.

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I am a minimalist =)

 

Yep..

 

 

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post #2324 of 3273
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Yeah. Sort of like keeping number of wives to a minimum. Much less hassle.

 

More wifes, more fun 

 

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post #2325 of 3273
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

I find a lot of the hard core objectivists to be closed minded, dogmatic and annoying.

As far as I'm concerned, there's enough room on Head Fi for everyone's opinion.

I get irritated when hard core objectivists insist the subjectivists are air headed believers in fairy tales and voodoo. 

 

Anyway, the music should always come first, if it didn't I wouldn't enjoy listening to music in my car....the factory stereo I have in my car is bleh.

 

Ever hear of the McGurk Effect?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0

 

It's one of the many reasons objectivists like me are the way we are.

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