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post #2251 of 3216
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

 

It's funny that your impressions on the Gungnir vs the M51 echo mine considering the exchange we had in another thread. wink.gif < note the wink.

 

The MJ is a fine amp for the HD800. These components are not inherently abrasive imo. People that have tagged the MJ as such should look to components upstream to isolate the source if this presents as an issue in their system. The "dogmatically vigilant" term coined by purrin is incredibly apt. It was also commented very early in the thread that these MJ impressions likely hinged on the quality/signature of the DAC. This seems to have been forgotten.

 

The Gugnir is a good DAC and is a significant improvement over the Bifrost. It matches very well with the ubiquitous LCD-2. Look elsewhere if you want refinement deserving of the HD800, HE-6, LCD-3 etc.

Glad you're liking the M51, I think you got a great deal on it. I still feel it's a poorest value considering the MSRP in the U.S.

 

I will disagree with you on the MJ not being abrasive to a point. As stated MJ makes other amps sound slow, it's extremely transparent 

and isn't a laid back amp. Mjolnir is overly aggressive aka "abrasive".

 

Although I think in context of people generally thinking the HD800 would be fatiguing, you're right. It's not abrasive in that nature.

I think with the HD800 source plays the most important factor. Seeing as the Gungnir is perfectly adequate, anything more

is just in pursuit of those last bit of extra details, that squeeze of resolution.

 

Whether we want to sit and compare the Gungnir to the M51, compared to the PWD, compared to the Invicta, to Cantata, and all the way up.

I think it should be acknowledged that what Schiit is offering in the mid-tier bracket is endgame. 

 

And the rest is agonizing over that last 10-15% and I'm being gracious.

post #2252 of 3216
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Yep biggrin.gif

 

I soon as I got it in I compared it to my other DACs.  It sure was the case.  IMO - it's also the case with the MJ with other DACs when compared to other Amps.

Substantiated by what? Your opinion. Rightly so.

 

However the MJ has been compared favorably to some other top-tier gear with the LCD-3. So I'd say that MJ has to compare to other amps, no?

 

I can't exactly speak to how well the HD800 and MJ stack up against other top gear and that pairing. I can say it doesn't seem as favorable 

as the LCD-3, but that's really not surprise. The HD800 do like tubes more so than the LCD's, IMO.

 

To further the case there have been quite a few that have found the LCD-3/HD800 compared in favor to multiple B22's builds.

 

Which seems to all be 3 or 4 overkill ch builds.

 

I'd be most interested in Soludes completed B22, done the ideal way. IMO.

 

But again, it comes down to preference and what you're looking for. So Prep, I'm sure MJ compares poorly to amps you have in your sight.

 

That's the beauty of a subjective hobby, there is no right or wrong answer. Just suitable preferences.

post #2253 of 3216
LCDs are not exactly the last word in resolution so its not surprising the Mjolnir pairs well with the LCDs. With the HD800 the BHA1 had clearly superior resolution compared to the Mjolnir.
post #2254 of 3216

@ paradoxper - I've always agreed that the MJ is not a laid-back amp. It is energetic and explosive and does not smooth over any flaws apparent upstream or evident in the headphone itself. Abrasive to me is overly harsh and grating. It's at the extreme end of the spectrum. We're focusing on semantics, but I think it's a disservice to the MJ to tag it as such.

 

Having said that, I'm not also placing the MJ at the pinnacle. I can only refer to people who've also compared it favourably to higher end amps. Personally, I suspect the GS-X v2 would present the same level of refinement over the MJ as the M51 over the Gungnir. I'm content with where my system is at now though, and have yet to win the internal struggle to justify the expense of the GS-X.


Edited by olor1n - 12/29/12 at 4:14pm
post #2255 of 3216

Semantics always stands in the way. 

 

 

 

Edit: Maxvla, that's my point though. Whether it be the LCD-3/HE-6/HD800, you use what you feel

is the best amp for the suitable need.

 

Otherwise, I would have said the MJ dunks on everything tube with the HD800, for example.

 

And furthermore, like with DACs, who are we kidding they sound alike more than different, save for the tubes.


Edited by paradoxper - 12/29/12 at 4:19pm
post #2256 of 3216
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Substantiated by what? Your opinion. Rightly so.

 

However the MJ has been compared favorably to some other top-tier gear with the LCD-3. So I'd say that MJ has to compare to other amps, no?

 

I can't exactly speak to how well the HD800 and MJ stack up against other top gear and that pairing. I can say it doesn't seem as favorable 

as the LCD-3, but that's really not surprise. The HD800 do like tubes more so than the LCD's, IMO.

 

To further the case there have been quite a few that have found the LCD-3/HD800 compared in favor to multiple B22's builds.

 

Which seems to all be 3 or 4 overkill ch builds.

 

I'd be most interested in Soludes completed B22, done the ideal way. IMO.

 

But again, it comes down to preference and what you're looking for. So Prep, I'm sure MJ compares poorly to amps you have in your sight.

 

That's the beauty of a subjective hobby, there is no right or wrong answer. Just suitable preferences.

 

 

Everything I state is IMO..  So take it with a grain of salt or however you want..

 

If I say so my self the MJ paired well with the LCDs and are a great match.  Just not as musical as my B22 but non the less a great match.  

 

Also IMO the MJ is not as flexible as my B22, meaning not having the ability to pair well with a wide range of headphones, including sensitive ones.  This is where the MJ falls short.  It's a Mike Tyson of an amp.  That's perfectly fine for headphones like the Audeze.  The B22 is more of a all around amp IMO..

 

IMO It drives the HE-6 better than my B22 as well from a power standpoint - still not as musical.  It make the HE-6 a tad bit to bright when compared to my B22.

 

I don't understand how a 3 or 4 channel build is overkill - overkill for who?  IMO a 4 channel is the right way to do it - if a balanced solution is what your after.  The new GS-X is being made with 4 modules ie 4 channels..  So why is this over kill..

 

What's so ideal about a 2 channel unbalanced build?  That's why there's options, and that's why it's DIY, your able to get it the way you want it.  

 

I would like to see where the HD800 + MJ compared in favor of the HD800 + B22?  Heck Maxvla pick the HD800 + BHA-1 over the HD800 + MJ in his review.


Edited by preproman - 12/29/12 at 4:31pm
post #2257 of 3216

I think the MJ is good enough that it doesn't curtail the HD800 strengths. It won't tame the headphone's brightness, but I've never found this to be a problem with my HD800. The Gungnir was the bottleneck in my chain and the M51 confirmed that.

post #2258 of 3216

I've tried to live with the HD800 at home a few times now, years apart and always walk away feeling other than better soundstage depth and height as well as comfort, that the Audeze line out classes it everywhere else.  Lots of detail and texture that comes through on the LCD-2 and more so on the LCD-3 is simply MIA on the HD800.  But yes tubes, more correctly high output impedance is favoured on the HD800 since it boosts the bass to counter the treble.

 

As for the Mjolnir, I felt it was very energetic to a fault and despite using a dark source the result was bright or at the very least fatiguing.  I'd love to try again now that I have a more balanced source but I'm more likely to try the Statement next.

post #2259 of 3216
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Everything I state is IMO..  So take it with a grain of salt or however you want..

 

If I say so my self the MJ paired with the LCDs and are a great match.  Just not as musical as my B22 but non the less a great match.  

 

Also IMO the MJ is not as flexible as my B22, meaning not having the ability to pair well with a wide range of headphones, including sensitive ones.  This is where the MJ falls short.  It's a Mike Tyson of an amp.  That's perfectly fine for headphones like the Audeze.  The B22 is more of a all around amp IMO..

 

IMO It drives the HE-6 better than my B22 as well from a power standpoint - still not as musical.  It make the HE-6 a tad bit to bright when compared to my B22.

 

I don't understand how a 3 or 4 channel build is overkill - overkill for who?  IMO a 4 channel is the right way to do it - if a balanced solution is what your after.  The new GS-X is being made with 4 modules ie 4 channels..  So why is this over kill..

 

What's so ideal about a 2 channel unbalanced build?  That's why there's options, and that's why it's DIY, your able to get it the way you want it.  

 

I would like to see where the HD800 + MJ compared in favor of the HD800 + B22?  Heck Maxvla pick the HD800 + BHA-1 over the HD800 + MJ in his review.

 

No gripes about whichever you prefer, B22 may be the better all around amp, it also may be more musical.

 

There's a reason I didn't speak to how the MJ and HD800 paired personally. The point was the MJ and LCD-3 would probably be favorable 

to, say, GS-x, B22, etc.

 

But likewise, it could be inferior to the aforementioned when paired with the HD800.

 

Again, no right or wrong answer. Just suitable preferences for the job at hand.

 

 

There are pro's and con's to going balanced. But honestly, and I don't mean for this to be condescending, but you've already shown

you don't really know EE. So I don't think we should drag and derail the conversation at hand.

 

Ask Solude about his 2 ch B22 build, if ya want. 

 

I'm not going to cherry-pick any posts for you, you can use the search function. 

 

And as said, Max can be entitled to his opinion, I respect that and likewise yours as well. Doesn't mean I'll agree with it.

I'm just voicing my opinion like everyone else.

post #2260 of 3216
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Also IMO the MJ is not as flexible as my B22, meaning not having the ability to pair well with a wide range of headphones, including sensitive ones.

 

IMO It drives the HE-6 better than my B22 as well from a power standpoint - still not as musical.  It make the HE-6 a tad bit to bright when compared to my B22.

 

I would like to see where the HD800 + MJ compared in favor of the HD800 + B22?  Heck Maxvla pick the HD800 + BHA-1 over the HD800 + MJ in his review.

 

Mjolnir is much more flexible assuming balanced for balanced.  The B22 is an inherently noisy design and using high gain just pardon the pun amplifies the problem.  The Mjolnir is very quiet in comparison.

 

Your balanced B22 can put out 15W into the HE-6, unless it was built like most are, then its being choked because of how MOSFETs work ;)

 

Not surprising the HD800 and the BHA-1 get along, the BHA-1 has a fairly high output impedance by solid state standards so... fuller bottom, more weight just what the doctor ordered.  Its also AC coupled which always brings some colour.  Not having heard it I don't know if the cap increases the bottom even further or rolls the top.  I keep almost pulling the trigger on one and then back out when the coffee kicks in ;)

post #2261 of 3216
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

No gripes about whichever you prefer, B22 may be the better all around amp, it also may be more musical.

 

There's a reason I didn't speak to how the MJ and HD800 paired personally. The point was the MJ and LCD-3 would probably be favorable 

to, say, GS-x, B22, etc.

 

But likewise, it could be inferior to the aforementioned when paired with the HD800.

 

Again, no right or wrong answer. Just suitable preferences for the job at hand.

 

 

There are pro's and con's to going balanced. But honestly, and I don't mean for this to be condescending, but you've already shown

you don't really know EE. So I don't think we should drag and derail the conversation at hand.

 

Ask Solude about his 2 ch B22 build, if ya want. 

 

I'm not going to cherry-pick any posts for you, you can use the search function. 

 

And as said, Max can be entitled to his opinion, I respect that and likewise yours as well. Doesn't mean I'll agree with it.

I'm just voicing my opinion like everyone else.

 

 

FYI:  I know all I need to know about EE and what I don't know I have 2 very well knowledge builders that I consult with.  I don't need to ask Solude anything. I asked you - sense you know all about EE.

 

I'm well aware about the pros and cons of a balanced config.  For me and I guess for all the MJ adopters as well.  The pros out weigh the cons.  So go figure.

 

Why would I search for statements you bought up.  If I bought said statements up. I may have something to support it if wasn't in my own opinion.  blink.gif

 

As you can see in this thread alone not many people do agree on most things.  So, all we have is our opinions and our ba _ _ _.  A I won't break them for no bodybiggrin.gif

post #2262 of 3216
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

The new GS-X is being made with 4 modules ie 4 channels..  So why is this over kill..

 

 

GS-X has always been 4ch.  The revision is to boost power to be able to drive the HE-6.  After the revision, in balanced form, it matches the power of a 2ch B22 or Mjolnir.  Difference is unlike the B22, the Dynalo circuit is very quiet.

post #2263 of 3216
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

So, all we have is our opinions and our ba _ _ _.  A I won't break them for no bodybiggrin.gif

 

Balls?  God I hope you wouldn't break those for anyone /cringe

post #2264 of 3216
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

Mjolnir is much more flexible assuming balanced for balanced.  The B22 is an inherently noisy design and using high gain just pardon the pun amplifies the problem.  The Mjolnir is very quiet in comparison.

 

Your balanced B22 can put out 15W into the HE-6, unless it was built like most are, then its being choked because of how MOSFETs work ;)

 

Not surprising the HD800 and the BHA-1 get along, the BHA-1 has a fairly high output impedance by solid state standards so... fuller bottom, more weight just what the doctor ordered.  Its also AC coupled which always brings some colour.  Not having heard it I don't know if the cap increases the bottom even further or rolls the top.  I keep almost pulling the trigger on one and then back out when the coffee kicks in ;)

 

Assuming balanced for balanced?  Please explain.  

 

I'll explain what I meant by it.  As I said with a wide rage of headphones the B22 is more flexible.  In this context of being flexible.  My gain is set at 8X, this give it the opportunity to perform very well with most headphones.  The MJ is set at what seems like a high gain to me, maybe 10X i don't know.  However, this IMO makes it less flexible with a wide range of headphones.  

 

I ran it through some high sensitive headphones when it was here. AT, and Denons - IMO it did not fair well.  But my B22 out performed it with those sensitive headphones.  = "flexible"

 

The B22 inherently noisy?  That's funny.  Ti, Ying, and Corey and the specs on AMBs site says it's one of the quietest amps on the market.  Plus I get nothing but a all black back round when on and no music is playing.  That tell me the noise floor is very low.  So no problem with noise on mine - maybe on yours..

post #2265 of 3216

Objective Benchmarks and Test Results.  Under the Specifications tab.

 

http://www.amb.org/audio/beta22/

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