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post #2011 of 3241
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

This may be obvious to some.  So how about a good SE DAC vs. a good balanced DAC?  Or if a single DAC is considered good, which is better in that DAC SE or balanced?

Comes down to implementation as mentioned above. 

A well implemented DAC offering both SE and balanced should yield no difference regarding what output you choose to use. 


Edited by paradoxper - 12/8/12 at 8:00am
post #2012 of 3241
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Comes down to implementation as mentioned above. 

A well implemented DAC offering both SE and balanced should yield no difference regarding what output you choose to use. 

 

Well, I'm trying to take implementation out of the it - so if both are implemented very good?

post #2013 of 3241
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Well, I'm trying to take implementation out of the it - so if both are implemented very good?

That's a given, methinks.

 

If not, it would be clear, you'd pick the better implemented DAC whether it be SE or Bal.

 

 

Both DACs up to par, the Bal shouldn't have any advantage other than CMRR/lower distortion/power.

None of that necessarily equates to better sound...


Edited by paradoxper - 12/8/12 at 8:18am
post #2014 of 3241
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That's a given, methinks.

 

If not, it would be clear, you'd pick the better implemented DAC whether it be SE or Bal.

 

 

Both DACs up to par, the Bal shouldn't have any advantage other than CMJ/lower distortion/power.

None of that necessarily equates to better sound...

 

 

Oh i may disagree here.  Lower distortion in theory should in fact equate to better sound if it's agreed that distortion = noise (jitter).

 

So the answer I'm trying to pull out is - if both DACs are implemented equally well.  The balanced DAC "in theory" should yield lower distortion thus produce a better sound because of lower jitter, if jitter = distortion here.

post #2015 of 3241
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Need noise to reject to benefit from its rejection ;)  Doesn't change that a good single ended DAC will get you better results than a bad balanced one.  Now if your source has both then ya its a no brainer.

 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Oh i may disagree here.  Lower distortion in theory should in fact equate to better sound if it's agreed that distortion = noise (jitter).

 

So the answer I'm trying to pull out is - if both DACs are implemented equally well.  The balanced DAC "in theory" should yield lower distortion thus produce a better sound because of lower jitter, if jitter = distortion here.

Sure, in theory. If the world worked out that way. :)

post #2016 of 3241
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

 

Sure, in theory. If the world worked out that way. :)

 

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Need noise to reject to benefit from its rejection ;)  Doesn't change that a good single ended DAC will get you better results than a bad balanced one.  Now if your source has both then ya its a no brainer.

 

In this case - it really does..biggrin.gif

 

 

Good point Solude..

post #2017 of 3241

I think sound gets a bit boring when it is fully balanced. Makes me a bit uneasy, actually. 

post #2018 of 3241
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


Oh i may disagree here.  Lower distortion in theory should in fact equate to better sound if it's agreed that distortion = noise (jitter).

So the answer I'm trying to pull out is - if both DACs are implemented equally well.  The balanced DAC "in theory" should yield lower distortion thus produce a better sound because of lower jitter, if jitter = distortion here.

Not too sure if I'm following this........how does a DAC with a balanced output stage have less jitter?
post #2019 of 3241
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Not too sure if I'm following this........how does a DAC with a balanced output stage have less jitter?

It seems as if the prep man think of noise/distortion as all being jitter...

post #2020 of 3241
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That's a given, methinks.

If not, it would be clear, you'd pick the better implemented DAC whether it be SE or Bal.


Both DACs up to par, the Bal shouldn't have any advantage other than CMRR/lower distortion/power.
None of that necessarily equates to better sound...

CMRR, lower distortion (assuming the balanced topology you choose leads to lower distortion), more power.............hmmmm, it all sounds good to me!
post #2021 of 3241
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CMRR, lower distortion (assuming the balanced topology you choose leads to lower distortion), more power.............hmmmm, it all sounds good to me!

Yep. But that's a considerable IF.

post #2022 of 3241
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It seems as if the prep man think of noise/distortion as all being jitter...

 

Correct - If I'm wrong I hear by stand corrected.. 

post #2023 of 3241
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Correct - If I'm wrong I hear by stand corrected.. 

You would be wrong at least half-way. Jitter has more to do with timing. Maybe you're thinking of jitter caused by EMI/crosstalk, etc.

Which could cause noise...


Edited by paradoxper - 12/8/12 at 3:49pm
post #2024 of 3241
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You would be wrong at least half-way. Jitter has more to do with timing. Maybe you're thinking of jitter caused by EMI/crosstalk, etc.

Which could cause noise...

 

So jitter is not noise?  That's new to me..

post #2025 of 3241

jitter is disortion. 

 

 


Edited by ardilla - 12/8/12 at 4:00pm
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