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post #31 of 53

Well, MalVeauX has done it again. I'm definitely not the first person he's help convinced to get the D5000 today. Also, looks like electronics expo has the D5000 open box back in stock! I wonder if it had anything to do with me contacting them about it being out of stock? beerchug.gif

post #32 of 53
"... and the land shall be covered in Denon cans, from sea to shining sea". biggrin.gif

MalVeauX is an excellent D5000 salesman, if I didn't have my D7ks I probably would have been talked into a set by now.
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

"... and the land shall be covered in Denon cans, from sea to shining sea". biggrin.gif
MalVeauX is an excellent D5000 salesman, if I didn't have my D7ks I probably would have been talked into a set by now.


Ditto, except HE-400's in place of D7000's. Not to sound like a skeptic of Mal's opinions but he really downplays HD650's. Is there a strong attribute with them other than neutrality?

post #34 of 53
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Ditto, except HE-400's in place of D7000's. Not to sound like a skeptic of Mal's opinions but he really downplays HD650's. Is there a strong attribute with them other than neutrality?



If this was facebook, I would like this comment biggrin.gif

post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by TGTBATQ View Post

due to the current mishap with my puppy, my soundcard and headphones were completely destroyed, so if i were to get the d7000's i'd be using onboard for awhile until i would be able to afford a decent amp for them.

unlike the d5000's which i would be able to get an amp immediately with them.


If you really want a good amp that doesn't color the sound look into the O2 reference amp. You can DIY for around $100.00 or buy one assembled from JDS Labs for around $150.00. It is one of the best investments I have ever made in headfi.

 

post #36 of 53
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Ditto, except HE-400's in place of D7000's. Not to sound like a skeptic of Mal's opinions but he really downplays HD650's. Is there a strong attribute with them other than neutrality?

They're rare in that they're "bright" but smooth, they're the brightest I've owned that aren't fatiguing. Also, the sub-bass is stellar and the mids have a slightly warm coloration. Then there's the soundstage, I can't see how a mostly-closed set of cans like these have one that is so wide and detailed. They're "fun" headphones, not for critical listening, but at the normal $580 they sell for now all buyers should be arrested for theft.

Edit: Oh, and I do like the HD650s, but they're too mushy <60Hz, and rolled off on the highs, for my taste.
Edited by Magick Man - 3/29/12 at 12:42am
post #37 of 53

What is comes down to for me is that the D5000 and D7000 are organic and musical.  The Senn HD 600 and 650 are great cans, but are just not as sweet or much fun as Denon woodies.

post #38 of 53
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What is comes down to for me is that the D5000 and D7000 are organic and musical.  The Senn HD 600 and 650 are great cans, but are just not as sweet or much fun as Denon woodies.



I'm currently listening to the HD600 along side the D7000 for a few weeks now. And the Senn's are good, but a bit too pedestrian for my taste. I could get use to them and love them, actually, if they were my only cans. Listening to the 600's reminded me a bit of being shown a home. And you spot a door that would obviously lead to the basement. Only to learn from the Realtor that the contractor installed the door, but the revamped plans called for eliminating the basement and simply continued to build out the home at the existing level.

 

So, there's Mid Bass, a touch of Bass and no Sub Bass. Well, perhaps the .1 Subwoofer notes through DVD's but...rolleyes.gif even if heard, it wouldn't be pretty via Music CD's. Or maybe I'm not playing the right music. Or spoiled. biggrin.gif


Edited by Silent One - 3/29/12 at 2:17am
post #39 of 53
Someone mentioned this... 'D7000' and 'neutral/flat' don't belong in the same sentence. Just saying.

It has a blatantly obvious sub bass emphasis that can't be dismissed as anything other than emphasized quite strongly. The reason people may perceive it as 'flat' is because mid bass is pretty much restrained in order to keep the mids from getting smothered by bass.

Seriously, quantity wise it's like: (5 is neutral)

Sub bass is 8
Mid bass is 4 (seriously, even my Q701 has a significant lead in mid bass quantity)
Mids are a 4.5
Treble is a 6.5

I say this as a fan of the D7000 (my fave can). It is not even remotely close to neutral.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/29/12 at 2:28am
post #40 of 53

 

I'm glad Denon dialed down the Mid Bass when designing the D7000. And speaking of design, shouldn't Denon be in the lab with the next generation flagship?

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Edited by Silent One - 3/29/12 at 2:38am
post #41 of 53
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That kind of burn in time has me reconsidering if I want this -__-

 



I actually found the D5000's burn-in to be longer, more brutal than the 7k. But 150 hours? That's like lunch! You'd be done in no time... did I mention the rewards? 


Edited by Silent One - 3/29/12 at 2:43am
post #42 of 53

I hope that you used the "March12" code for another $25 on those. Works on open box also!!

post #43 of 53
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 Not to sound like a skeptic of Mal's opinions but he really downplays HD650's. Is there a strong attribute with them other than neutrality?


Heya,

 

I do recommend them to people where their attributes fit their desired qualities in sound (someone looking for a fatigue-free mid-centric headphone with a touch of warmth). But in general, I don't find them to be that special of a headphone. I think they get a little too much extra attention actually. I think the HD600 is the real headphone to look at from that particular line up before going to high-end. The HD650 is just boring to me. It was mostly a bunch of mid bass and mids. The mids were fantastic mind you. The treble was dim. There's a lot of talk about matching the right amplifier to the HD650 and that suddenly it's not dim and the veil is gone. Well, to me, that just means someone is matching it to a really bright amplifier, because when I try that, it's basically the same as simply equalizing the treble up a notch to get some sparkle in there. Kind of a silly thing to do. I'd rather get a headphone that is already sounding like what I'm looking for. Anyhow, it's sub-bass just isn't there for me, like many open-headphones, it just doesn't have that low end punch and reach. It has plenty of mid-bass, but it's not overly bass. When listening to it, I don't get that low end reverb and I don't get that sparkly edge in music. It's literally too smooth for me, when I go to a show, it's not smooth like that. There's edge. There's spikes. When an artist intended for a sharp crash to happen, the HD650 renders it to you softly. If that makes sense. I don't care for that. I frankly like the HD600 better, it does reproduction better justice. It too isn't perfect to me, but it's a better headphone in general to my ears. But hey, that's just my opinion.

 

Very best,

post #44 of 53

Well the Denon 7000s would be the most balanced of the lot. The Denon 5000s have the most sub bass, its mid-range isn't recessed like on the 2000 and 7000 (treble and bass are most likely the culprits for this).

post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post


Heya,

 

I do recommend them to people where their attributes fit their desired qualities in sound (someone looking for a fatigue-free mid-centric headphone with a touch of warmth). But in general, I don't find them to be that special of a headphone. I think they get a little too much extra attention actually. I think the HD600 is the real headphone to look at from that particular line up before going to high-end. The HD650 is just boring to me. It was mostly a bunch of mid bass and mids. The mids were fantastic mind you. The treble was dim. There's a lot of talk about matching the right amplifier to the HD650 and that suddenly it's not dim and the veil is gone. Well, to me, that just means someone is matching it to a really bright amplifier, because when I try that, it's basically the same as simply equalizing the treble up a notch to get some sparkle in there. Kind of a silly thing to do. I'd rather get a headphone that is already sounding like what I'm looking for. Anyhow, it's sub-bass just isn't there for me, like many open-headphones, it just doesn't have that low end punch and reach. It has plenty of mid-bass, but it's not overly bass. When listening to it, I don't get that low end reverb and I don't get that sparkly edge in music. It's literally too smooth for me, when I go to a show, it's not smooth like that. There's edge. There's spikes. When an artist intended for a sharp crash to happen, the HD650 renders it to you softly. If that makes sense. I don't care for that. I frankly like the HD600 better, it does reproduction better justice. It too isn't perfect to me, but it's a better headphone in general to my ears. But hey, that's just my opinion.

 

Very best,



Bolded for truth. Seriously everyone here talks about these like they are the holy grail of mid-range price headphones. I guess the saying that goes something like "beginners seek bass, intermediates seek treble, audiophiles seek mids" is overly true.

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