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Denon 5000 vs Senn HD650

post #1 of 53
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Which of the two, considering I can get them both when they're +- $100 of eachother, would be the best decision?

i'd be willing to spend an extra 1-2 hundred on a nice amp if needed.

alternatively, I could wait longer and save up to get the denon 7000's, unless there's a better quality headphone in the price ranges listed.

Also, if you're going to give a solid reccomendation, please throw in an amp or anything else that you speak highly of that you know would work nicely with the cans!

thanks

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Originally Posted by TGTBATQ View Post

Which of the two, considering I can get them both when they're +- $100 of eachother, would be the best decision?

i'd be willing to spend an extra 1-2 hundred on a nice amp if needed.

alternatively, I could wait longer and save up to get the denon 7000's, unless there's a better quality headphone in the price ranges listed.

Also, if you're going to give a solid reccomendation, please throw in an amp or anything else that you speak highly of that you know would work nicely with the cans!

thanks


What kind of sound are you looking for?

 

D5000 has strong sub-bass, slightly emphasis on bass in general, great mids, sparkle in the treble, it's a touch bright, very comfortable, closed back, woody, and doesn't need an amplifier.

The HD650 has rolled off sub-bass, strong mid-bass mostly, great mids, recessed/dim treble (it's smooth, not bright, very dim sounding), comfortable, open back, needs amplification (for some, it's noted to require tons, or none, go figure...).

 

They're not that similar honestly. So what are you looking for?

 

I have both, and of both, I much prefer the Denon D5000. The HD650 to me is just not that bassy, mid bass is for the birds, I want sub-bass, Denon does that, and I like the sparkle in the treble. But that's me.

 

Very best,

post #3 of 53
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What kind of sound are you looking for?

 

D5000 has strong sub-bass, slightly emphasis on bass in general, great mids, sparkle in the treble, it's a touch bright, very comfortable, closed back, woody, and doesn't need an amplifier.

The HD650 has rolled off sub-bass, strong mid-bass mostly, great mids, recessed/dim treble (it's smooth, not bright, very dim sounding), comfortable, open back, needs amplification (for some, it's noted to require tons, or none, go figure...).

 

They're not that similar honestly. So what are you looking for?

 

I have both, and of both, I much prefer the Denon D5000. The HD650 to me is just not that bassy, mid bass is for the birds, I want sub-bass, Denon does that, and I like the sparkle in the treble. But that's me.

 

Very best,



I am more of a bass enthusiast as well.

Do you think it would be a better deal to get the D5000's now + a decent amp? or wait awhile (despite me needing headphones asap since I have almost no way to listen to music aside from crappy in-ear's that i use for school) and end up getting the D7000's WITHOUT an amp for quite awhile longer after I get them?

post #4 of 53
That depends on what you're currently using to drive headphones.
post #5 of 53
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due to the current mishap with my puppy, my soundcard and headphones were completely destroyed, so if i were to get the d7000's i'd be using onboard for awhile until i would be able to afford a decent amp for them.

unlike the d5000's which i would be able to get an amp immediately with them.

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I am more of a bass enthusiast as well.

Do you think it would be a better deal to get the D5000's now + a decent amp? or wait awhile (despite me needing headphones asap since I have almost no way to listen to music aside from crappy in-ear's that i use for school) and end up getting the D7000's WITHOUT an amp for quite awhile longer after I get them?

 

I think you would enjoy the Denon D5000 the most. It's cost is overall less due to not needing an amp at all. The D7000's are a different headphone, they're not as bassy as the D5000. The D5000 is slightly colored towards bass. The D7000 is pretty neutral/flat. And they don't need amps (flame on, bring it). Denons just are made efficient. You can get an amp with an equalizer if you feel like you need to, but you don't have to. Of the three listed so far, the D5000 is easily the bassier one that still has great mids & treble. 

 

Used on Amazon ($400ish)

 

If you really want an amp, which again you do not need, I can definitely recommend the Fiio E11. I use one myself, even though it's not needed, because I like the punch it gives the Denons (and all headphoens) with it's bass EQ option set to two.

 

D5K_travel.jpg
 

Very best,

post #7 of 53
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I think you would enjoy the Denon D5000 the most. It's cost is overall less due to not needing an amp at all. The D7000's are a different headphone, they're not as bassy as the D5000. The D5000 is slightly colored towards bass. The D7000 is pretty neutral/flat. And they don't need amps (flame on, bring it). Denons just are made efficient. You can get an amp with an equalizer if you feel like you need to, but you don't have to. Of the three listed so far, the D5000 is easily the bassier one that still has great mids & treble. 

 

Used on Amazon ($400ish)

 

If you really want an amp, which again you do not need, I can definitely recommend the Fiio E11. I use one myself, even though it's not needed, because I like the punch it gives the Denons (and all headphoens) with it's bass EQ option set to two.

 

D5K_travel.jpg
 

Very best,



Alright, I might just settle on the D5000's then, it seems like it's going to suit my wants more than any of the other models.

And you're absolutely sure about the amp?

Because I don't even have a sound-card or anything into my computer (puppies are the best(worst?)) so i'll be just using onboard audio to listen to my music.

I just really want everything to sound the best as possible for the money i'm going to be able to put out.

 

post #8 of 53

I think you would be happy with the D5000. Good bass (as you mentioned you like).  Easy to power without an amp.  Very comfortable.

 

//The 650 is no slouch either, both are fine choices imo.

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Alright, I might just settle on the D5000's then, it seems like it's going to suit my wants more than any of the other models.

And you're absolutely sure about the amp?

Because I don't even have a sound-card or anything into my computer (puppies are the best(worst?)) so i'll be just using onboard audio to listen to my music.

I just really want everything to sound the best as possible for the money i'm going to be able to put out.

 

 

I'm absolutely sure about the amplification note.

 

That said, the DAC of your onboard solution on the computer is probably not great. I would get a minor DAC/AMP solution just to get off of that. Fiio E7 (home/portable), Fiio E17 (home/portable; better than E7), iBasso D-ZERO (home/portable), Fiio E10 (home only) come to mind.
 

Very best,

post #10 of 53
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I'm absolutely sure about the amplification note.

 

That said, the DAC of your onboard solution on the computer is probably not great. I would get a minor DAC/AMP solution just to get off of that. Fiio E7 (home/portable), Fiio E17 (home/portable; better than E7), iBasso D-ZERO (home/portable), Fiio E10 (home only) come to mind.
 

Very best,



Looks like i'm going to order them as soon as I get home, do you have any personal recommendations on a DAC? I have never owned one and you seem extremely knowledgeable about the d5000's in general and we seem to have the same taste in the kind of audio we enjoy. It being portable doesn't really matter to me, as this will likely never leave my house. I don't trust people of my town :p

 

post #11 of 53

Electronic Expo has this for $384 shipped (open box, like new). Use coupon WELCOME25. I've had it in my cart and have been trying to decide to pull the trigger or not. I've had the q701, which I enjoyed, and the HD650 which I wasn't that fond of before. Currently using Westone 4 but I hate how it sounds like the music is just in my head. After I sold my q701, I just miss feeling like someones in my room playing music to me. Looking for a closed back since I fly several times a year and would like to a nice comfortable headphone for these long flights. Was looking at the akg k550 and the denon d5000 myself.

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Electronic Expo has this for $384 shipped (open box, like new). Use coupon WELCOME25. I've had it in my cart and have been trying to decide to pull the trigger or not. I've had the q701, which I enjoyed, and the HD650 which I wasn't that fond of before. Currently using Westone 4 but I hate how it sounds like the music is just in my head. After I sold my q701, I just miss feeling like someones in my room playing music to me. Looking for a closed back since I fly several times a year and would like to a nice comfortable headphone for these long flights. Was looking at the akg k550 and the denon d5000 myself.



That's what i'm planning on ordering today in a few hours, it is in my cart as well. Please don't snag them from me! :p

 

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Looks like i'm going to order them as soon as I get home, do you have any personal recommendations on a DAC? I have never owned one and you seem extremely knowledgeable about the d5000's in general and we seem to have the same taste in the kind of audio we enjoy. It being portable doesn't really matter to me, as this will likely never leave my house. I don't trust people of my town :p

 


Fiio E10 would be perfect.

 

Very best,

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That's what i'm planning on ordering today in a few hours, it is in my cart as well. Please don't snag them from me! :p

 



I can't promise that but I've stopped myself for 2 days so far so we'll see how long this goes on. ;)

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I can't promise that but I've stopped myself for 2 days so far so we'll see how long this goes on. ;)



Beat ya to it! Just pulled the trigger on the headphones ;)

Now on to  the E10!

Thanks so much for all of your help, everyone. Especially you, MalVeauX!

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