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The ASG-1 was originally tuned for musicians and not for people just to listen on an iPod,etc. Basically made to make music on stage, not listen to it. Some people experience "shouty" mids and some don't. For those that do experience the mentioned mids, Dale is working on a filter to help tame the mids for listening. I got to be one of the few that got to try it out before completion to provide feedback.

 

This thread is to discuss the ASG-1 in its filtered vs unfiltered state. The other thread has a lot of off-topic posts and pretty difficult to follow. I had mine sent to shotgunshane and Flysweep after him for their impressions between the filtered/unfiltered. I've read a few more people will be getting the filtered ASG-1 so feel free to post about them vs the unfiltered version. Let's keep this thread on-topic without posts about EQing or graphs, no BS.

 

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Edited by -y0- - 4/2/12 at 1:48pm
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Just got the filtered ASG-1 (from shotgunshane) a short while ago. My initial feelings are mixed.. but most definitely leaning to the positive side.

The vocal 'spike'

The shouty spike in the vocal frequency range is tamed quite well.. all but gone, in fact.. though I did notice some other things. While the spike in the 1K-2K range has been greatly diminished/eliminated, I sense that the filter has shifted the spike 'to the left' on the frequency curve. The phone sounds a little more peaky in the 500-800 hz range now. Also, this (shifted) spike is also much more attenuated & nowhere near as obtuse (and jarring) as it was in the vocal/1K-2K range. On the whole, it's not a deal breaker in the least. In terms of (the lack of) fatigue & naturalness, I'd much rather listen to the phone filtered than bone stock.

Bass/mids/treble

The mid/upper bass-through-lower midrange is warmed (nicely) to give a more natural, smooth, full sound. Many who felt the ASG's were a little too thin (as far as impact) will definitely be pleased with the filtered version. I don't find any need to eq up the bass. The crisp, slightly dry nature of the ASG is less prevalent here.. the phone sounds more lush, robust, & better suited for long term listening. Bass sounds much more full, natural, and pleasing.. while maintaining impressive speed, balance, and agility.

The ASG-1 is still very much a "mid-forward" sounding phone with these filters.. the filter has 'softened' the (arguably) jarring midrange presentation (coming from an audiophile/non-stage use perspective). I find the midrange to sound more textured & natural with the filter than without. I find the warmed up mids to obscure some of the clarity & microdetails too.. nothing drastic, but noticeable nonetheless. The upshot to this though is that as a whole, the listening experience is much more enjoyable. Music sounds more natural.. less clinical & professionally aimed.

As mentioned by shotgunshane.. the treble takes a bit of a hit as far as presence & sparkle are concerned. It's still extended, but the warmed up, thicker bass/mids tend to bury the treble. I definitely liked the treble's crisp, dry nature on the the stock ASG.. but the smooth, unoffensive nature remains and suits long term listening quite well.

Conclusion

So, there is still a degree of unevenness that a simple filter might not be able wholly & accurately attenuate. This is why I hoped Dale would tune the driver (which is very capable & impressive, IMO) from scratch for audiophile use. He has much more control & accuracy when tuning it natively versus using a filter to approximate the desired result. I should mention this is a prototype filter so it may not be the final result/sound, too. I'll have more thoughts on the presentation & other odds & ends later tonight or in the coming days.. as well as comparison to another phone or two.
Edited by FlySweep - 4/5/12 at 6:29pm
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why would a musician on stage need 'too strong' mids? 

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Originally Posted by -y0- View Post

This thread is to discuss the ASG-1 in its filtered vs unfiltered state. The other thread has a lot of off-topic posts and pretty difficult to follow.. Let's keep this thread on-topic without posts about EQing or graphs, no BS.


Originally Posted by what? View Post

why would a musician on stage need 'too strong' mids?

 

Do people even read, anymore?

 

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Edited by FlySweep - 3/28/12 at 6:46pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by what? View Post

why would a musician on stage need 'too strong' mids? 



It's people like you that ruin threads. Clearly it states that impressions in this thread will be based on filtered vs non-filtered by the OP and FlySweep of whether or not the mid peak will be nulled. The other threads related to the impressions of the ASG-1 have already turned into crap, reason why this one was clearly made.

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im guessing stuffing some lint in the nozzle will affect the sound.  

post #7 of 21
Just initially for anyone who's interested, with the filters, the "shoutiness" is non-existent. I haven't even come close to hearing it once.
Still burning them in. I'll post some impressions eventually.
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Ooo I just re-read y0's and Shane's impressions and noticed they both still occasionally heard shouty mids. Then I noticed that they both got their filtered ASG-1 at around the same time. Finally I saw the image y0 posted which showed light colored filters.

It looks like you have different filters than I do. Mine are black. I think I want your filters haha which don't attenuate the mids as much and create less forward projection like Shane described (I barely hear anything out directly to the sides. It's almost all out in front.)

It seems like yours are filtered say one notch and mine two notches.
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Ooo I just re-read y0's and Shane's impressions and noticed they both still occasionally heard shouty mids. Then I noticed that they both got their filtered ASG-1 at around the same time. Finally I saw the image y0 posted which showed light colored filters.
It looks like you have different filters than I do. Mine are black. I think I want your filters haha which don't attenuate the mids as much and create less forward projection like Shane described (I barely hear anything out directly to the sides. It's almost all out in front.)
It seems like yours are filtered say one notch and mine two notches.


Ah yes, I was told the filter has been updated since I got mine with a thicker material. It looks like that's the version you have.

 

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I decided to post my pre and post filter impressions directly to this thread.

 

 

ASG-1 without and with filters

 

I thought it best to take my pre-filter impressions an overlay my post-filter impressions for compare and contrast.

 

So for any of you worried about too much bass, I don't find these as bass heavy as say the FX700 and the Atrios definitely have deeper extending bass and much more quantity.  However the ASG-1 bass is definitely plentiful but articulate with punch and doesn't interfere with the mids.  From memory, I'd put the quantity a notch over the SM3 and extension a little deeper than the SM3.  I don’t find that my opinion has changed any here with the addition of the filters.  As has been said many times, the ASG-1 does EQ very well.  I enjoy adding a few decibels in the sub bass range.

 

Mids are what this phone are all about.  Vocals are very, very upfront.  At this point I wouldn't call them liquid or lush, they are definitely on the dry side.  The only criticism I really have at this early point, is that the upper mid is a bit 'shouty' at times.  The filters greatly reduce this effect, while keeping the vocals very upfront.   I would say the mids still stay on the dry and cool side but the levels at which I perceived them pre-filter are lessened quite a bit post-filter.  For the most part the ‘shouty’ effect is gone, only showing itself on a few tracks that already have very forward vocals or very forward guitars.  I find the post-filter mids to be a significant improvement and enjoy them much more than before.

 

Treble is laid back but very detailed with just a hint of sparkle.  Very nicely done.  Overall they present a pretty clear sound.  Unfortunately it seems the treble presence takes a bit of a hit post-filter.  I found the ASG-1 to have a little treble sparkle pre-filter but now I find them to have none.  I definitely feel the need to EQ them a bit to not only add sparkle but to give it back the good cymbal/hi-hat/ride realism it had before.

 

As for soundstaging, I don't get any forward projection.  To steal the quote attributed to Bennyboy, it's like sticking your head in a music bubble.  Instead you are on the stage and the music is happening around you.  This is the 'live' feel everyone has been mentioning.  It certainly is strange going back to a normal forward projecting sound after listening to these for a while.  Post-filter changes the soundstage.  I no longer find it be like sticking your head in a music bubble.  Post-filter provides a U shaped soundstage, if you invert the U.  I no longer hear positioning cues thrown behind me but rather to the extreme sides.  However it still maintains the ‘live’ feel the pre-filter version is known for.

 

So far I have not found any benefit in amping them.  I completely hated the ZO with them and the O2 only sounded marginally better than headphone out, so why bother.  They work perfect with my iPod shuffle.  For whatever reason, post-filter I do feel they benefit from amping, at least from the O2.  The added transparency of the O2 really helps the ASG-1 to shine.

 

Build quality is what I like best about them.  They are super light weight, yet seem like they would be indestructible.  No worries of dropping them on the floor.  I also think they'd be perfect for exercise or outdoor activity with no worries about sweat.  The supplied cable is very nice and the sockets are pretty recessed and very tough to remove.  As far as tip rolling, the stock mediums are working best for me in comfort, sound and keeping the fit flush to the ear.  No changes here.

 

All in all I find the filters to be a significant improvement over the unfiltered version, even with the hit the treble takes.  Without the filters I would become fatigued from the ‘shouty’ mid and surround presentation.  Now I find I can listen to them for long periods of time without fatigue.  The filtered version of the ASG-1 definitely gives me reason to own these again.

post #11 of 21
@shotgunshane
What color were your filters?
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

@shotgunshane
What color were your filters?


The light colored filters.  I guess the earlier version?

 

post #13 of 21

Added my initial impressions to the second post.

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Here are my filters. They came pre-installed on my replacement pair, with spares in a bag labelled "Prototypes".

 

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I agree with everything said thus far, but missed the micro-details and clarity more than I'd like, despite preferring the overall sig.

 

I'd not even had the chance to post impressions (just 4 days of listening), but In true Aurisonics style, Dale has contacted me advising about a filter mod. In his words, you can cut down the filter to find more middle ground. He found that cutting the filters down to half of their original size, provides his ideal sig. After doing this myself, I have to agree!

 

Just my preferecne of course, but I found that some of those exciting behind-me cues returned, with better greater clarity and more refined micro-detailing. It's not as warmed up and softened (as has been well described by ShotgunShane & Flysweep) as the the full filter, but it's still noticeably more musical and non-fatiguing, without making such sacrifices.

 

 

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Interesting about your findings with the filters and sounds like a good compromise.  Those filters in the photo sure look like something else!

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