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post #496 of 1221
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Originally Posted by customNuts View Post

Does anyone have any kind of comparison between the M51 & the Anedio D2??

I havent compared to the Anedio D2.  But Stereomojo have a dac shootout and the Anedio D1 was beaten in a blind test by the EE mini max.  I have the EE mini max plus dac that have the same Sabre 9018 chip in it and I can assure you that its day and night.  The EE min max plus is way to skeletal with a wide soundstage, the M51 is more forward and has more microdetail retreval especially in the low end of the curve and has a better musical presentation.

 

Judging the performance of the Sabre 9018 base dac and there lack of specs available to the public I now refused to buy any dac base on the Sabre 9018.


Edited by ecohifi - 9/13/12 at 1:50pm
post #497 of 1221
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Originally Posted by ecohifi View Post

I havent compared to the Anedio D2.  But Stereomojo have a dac shootout and the Anedio D1 was beaten in a blind test by the EE mini max.  I have the EE mini max plus dac that have the same Sabre 9018 chip in it and I can assure you that its day and night.  The EE min max plus is way to skeletal with a wide soundstage, the M51 is more forward and has more microdetail retreval especially in the low end of the curve and has a better musical presentation.

Judging the performance of the Sabre 9018 base dac and there lack of specs available to the public I now refused to buy any dac base on the Sabre 9018.

I'm a little confused...are you saying you own both the M51 and the EE mini max plus? If so, which one would you describe as more rich, full bodied and smooth?
post #498 of 1221
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Originally Posted by ecohifi View Post

I havent compared to the Anedio D2.  But Stereomojo have a dac shootout and the Anedio D1 was beaten in a blind test by the EE mini max.  I have the EE mini max plus dac that have the same Sabre 9018 chip in it and I can assure you that its day and night.  The EE min max plus is way to skeletal with a wide soundstage, the M51 is more forward and has more microdetail retreval especially in the low end of the curve and has a better musical presentation.

 

Judging the performance of the Sabre 9018 base dac and there lack of specs available to the public I now refused to buy any dac base on the Sabre 9018.

 

If the EE minimax has a skeletal sound then blame the EE not the Sabre32 chip.

 

I have the Audio-gd NFB-7 which uses the same Sabre32 9018 chip and its about as far from skeletal as you can get.

post #499 of 1221

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vlach View Post


I'm a little confused...are you saying you own both the M51 and the EE mini max plus? If so, which one would you describe as more rich, full bodied and smooth?

 

To answer your question, definately the M51, and yes I own both.  

 

The advantage of the M51 is its volume control that eliminates the pre, it can directly plug straight into the power amp taking you to another level of resolution that is hard to beat.  According to some this volume control is the best of its kind, even the volume in jplay or other software that is 64bit doesnt comes close, I agree!wink_face.gif   Just be aware that the pcb built quality and psu is yet to be desire.  There are numerous reports and that includes the unit you see in the photo had failed out of the box and could not be replaced due to a lack of quantity, mine was repaired and loaded with the the latest firmware 1.39.

 

At $1500 AUD this unit is hard to beat, especially when it comes with HDMI input and Balance out!  Yes the Audio gd 7.1 may beat it being slightly organic in SQ in another system but I can comfortably live with this as this is has more micro detail and being a tad analytical through the Behringer 3031Atongue_smile.gif


Edited by ecohifi - 9/14/12 at 4:29pm
post #500 of 1221
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Originally Posted by ecohifi View Post





To answer your question, definately the M51, and yes I own both.  

The advantage of the M51 is its volume control that eliminates the pre, it can directly plug straight into the power amp taking you to another level of resolution that is hard to beat.  According to some this volume control is the best of its kind, even the volume in jplay or other software that is 64bit doesnt comes close, I agree!wink_face.gif    Just be aware that the pcb built quality and psu is yet to be desire.  There are numerous reports and that includes the unit you see in the photo had failed out of the box and could not be replaced due to a lack of quantity, mine was repaired and loaded with the the latest firmware 1.39.

At $1500 AUD this unit is hard to beat, especially when it comes with HDMI input and Balance out!  Yes the Audio gd 7.1 may beat it being slightly organic in SQ in another system but I can comfortably live with this as this is has more micro detail and being a tad analytical through the Behringer 3031A:tongue_smile:


Thanks for clarifying echohifi. I like what you have to say about the M51, however i'm not quite ready to dismiss the Anedio D2 just yet, i need more feedback samples from more direct comparisons with the M51, rather than the quote from one individual who happens to prefer the minimax over the D1...
post #501 of 1221
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

 

If the EE minimax has a skeletal sound then blame the EE not the Sabre32 chip.

 

I have the Audio-gd NFB-7 which uses the same Sabre32 9018 chip and its about as far from skeletal as you can get.

Hi nigeljames,

 

It looks like Audio GD, has an NFB-7 update:NFB-7.32: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/NFB7.32/NFB7.32EN.htm.  Having had the pleasure of listening to the Ref7.1 I wont be considering the NFB-7.32

I like to hear your impressions between the NFB-7 to the Ref 7.1,  the last I heard was the NFB-7 was m.ore detail while everything else remains the same????

It'll be interesting with the NFB-7.32 as this has a sampling rate up to 384


Edited by ecohifi - 9/15/12 at 12:12am
post #502 of 1221
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Originally Posted by ecohifi View Post

Hi nigeljames,

 

It looks like Audio GD, has an NFB-7 update:NFB-7.32: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/NFB7.32/NFB7.32EN.htm.  Having had the pleasure of listening to the Ref7.1 I wont be considering the NFB-7.32

I like to hear your impressions between the NFB-7 to the Ref 7.1,  the last I heard was the NFB-7 was m.ore detail while everything else remains the same????

It'll be interesting with the NFB-7.32 as this has a sampling rate up to 384

 

Yes I have seen the update to the NFB-7. When it was updated to the 7.1 Kingwa stated the differences were minimal and did not recommend the upgrade as being worth the cost.

It seems that one of the biggest differences with the 7.32 is the USB implementation and as I do not use USB its of no real interest.

 

I have not heard the Ref7.1, however when I was contemplating which DAC to buy I contacted Kingwa and simply asked that given my priorities of speed, detail, clarity, dynamics and deep tight bass which out of the NFB-7 and Ref 7.1 did he recommend. He clealry stated the NFB-7 would be the better choice.

I am absolutely not saying the Ref 7.1 is bad in those areas, far from it, and the Ref 7.1 probably has its own areas where it is stronger. But if anyone's priorities are the same as mine the NFB should be the better choice (based on advice from Kingwa)


Edited by nigeljames - 9/19/12 at 8:35am
post #503 of 1221
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post


I'm a little confused...are you saying you own both the M51 and the EE mini max plus? If so, which one would you describe as more rich, full bodied and smooth?

 

 

The Anedio D2 landed in Australia will cost approx above $2kAUD after customs and GST, so the M51 is a no brainer.  But dont let my posts decide on your decision, make sure you have other input as well before you make that decision.  I think the D2 is the same as the D1 with XLR out.  I would have a look at Johnny Darko's site as he has reviewed the D1 and I am sure he still have it.

post #504 of 1221

There is nothing skeletal about the 9018 dac, only implementations or lack there of. My Yulong D18 is certainly a testament to that, along with D1, D2 nfb7, Invicta & the list goes on.  

In fact after hearing what this chip can do, my heart is  set on either the D2, nfb7.32 or conversely the M51.

I recently sold my Ref 7.1 and while it was technically superior to the D18 with more micro detail, extension both ways & neutrality, the D18 was far more musical, holographic & less fatiguing. Another bonus was my 320 rips sound amazing whereas they were almost unlistenable with the ruthless ref 7.1. Guess it depends what your after.

 

I personally am waiting on a comparison between the m51 & D2 and am quietly considering the new nfb7.32.  

post #505 of 1221

I listened to the M51 dac yesterday with some big speakers, and thought it sounded great. Words such as liquid/non grainy, high resolution, analogue came to mind. What chip does it use?

post #506 of 1221
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Originally Posted by customNuts View Post


I personally am waiting on a comparison between the m51 & D2...

 

 

 

Me, too!  Wonder when it might appear?

 

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post #507 of 1221

coffee fixed it..question removed


Edited by sjay - 9/21/12 at 4:24pm
post #508 of 1221
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Originally Posted by customNuts View Post

There is nothing skeletal about the 9018 dac, only implementations or lack there of. My Yulong D18 is certainly a testament to that, along with D1, D2 nfb7, Invicta & the list goes on.  

In fact after hearing what this chip can do, my heart is  set on either the D2, nfb7.32 or conversely the M51.

I recently sold my Ref 7.1 and while it was technically superior to the D18 with more micro detail, extension both ways & neutrality, the D18 was far more musical, holographic & less fatiguing. Another bonus was my 320 rips sound amazing whereas they were almost unlistenable with the ruthless ref 7.1. Guess it depends what your after.

 

I personally am waiting on a comparison between the m51 & D2 and am quietly considering the new nfb7.32.  

 

 

That's strange.  

 

"According to Kingwa, the Sabre is most neutral and revealing while the PCM1704 is the most musical."

post #509 of 1221

More impressions and comparisons please!
 

post #510 of 1221
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Originally Posted by woodcans View Post

 

 

My system with the m51 sounds so good, I sold my turntable and entire vinyl/analog setup. basshead.gif

May I ask what was your vinyl / analog setup?

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