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Edited by Sil3nce - 3/26/12 at 7:44pm
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Edited by Sil3nce - 3/26/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post



I've had my pair of M50's for the past year, I know how they sound. I've done various iterations of parametric equalizations for them too, the gist of the perceived FR from these cans is a significant (~6 to 7 dB) recessed mids, as well as two significant treble peaks.

Apparently not a big reason enough for you to sell them.
I've got a pair of the limited edition sitting next to my stax, they aren't recessed in the slightest. please do tell me my ears are broken.
The mids aren't even recessed on my clip+.
Btw measurements don't mean a thing, as you should well-know.
post #19 of 82
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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post


Apparently not a big reason enough for you to sell them.
I've got a pair of the limited edition sitting next to my stax, they aren't recessed in the slightest. please do tell me my ears are broken.
The mids aren't even recessed on my clip+.
Btw measurements don't mean a thing, as you should well-know.


The whole point of parametric equalization is to negate irregular frequency response. For those like you who've never done it, you'd assume that we do it based on some mannequin head measurements but no, it's done by listening to a sinewave generator manually over the entire frequency range and designating where there are peaks/dips, then adjusting using param EQ to flatten those out.

 

Perhaps the M50S-LE has modified design/drivers, perhaps not. The fact of the matter is my perceived (meaning by ear) non-EQ'd sound signature of the M50's have recessed mids, as many have voiced about it in the past years.

 

Edit:

The only reason I haven't sold mine is because I need portable full-sized closed cans for commute after I've received the HiFiMAN HE400 for home use. The M50's have a fairly grainless sound which I like, the recessed mids (which I don't like) I just EQ up on my DAP on-the-go.


Edited by jerg - 3/26/12 at 8:00pm
post #20 of 82
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post



The whole point of parametric equalization is to negate irregular frequency response. For those like you who've never done it, you'd assume that we do it based on some mannequin head measurements but no, it's done by listening to a sinewave generator manually over the entire frequency range and designating where there are peaks/dips, then adjusting using param EQ to flatten those out.

Perhaps the M50S-LE has modified design/drivers, perhaps not. The fact of the matter is my perceived (meaning by ear) non-EQ'd sound signature of the M50's have recessed mids, as many have voiced about it in the past years.

Edit:
The only reason I haven't sold mine is because I need portable full-sized closed cans for commute after I've received the HiFiMAN HE400 for home use. The M50's have a fairly grainless sound which I like, the recessed mids (which I don't like) I just EQ up on my DAP on-the-go.

Well my question is where is the proof? Call me a skeptic but I don't like conceding a point without evidence. Which I'm sure you can provide. But keep in mind of confounding variables that affect the final sound reaching our ears, no system of measurement is truly closed. As for "we", it makes it sound like you have a team that does this. True? Interesting nonetheless. But I still don't believe graphs and science can truly describe sound. After all this time every can stated as a new reference has its share of detractors. As you said, your ear perception is solely based on yourself.
Ps: The m50s on commute? You are a brave man biggrin.gif among all the Beats-users. I'm sure a few have given you condescending looks.
Edited by Sil3nce - 3/26/12 at 8:52pm
post #21 of 82
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To my eears the mids are recessed.  It seems really obvious.  I'll try and see what my wife thinks later on.
 

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post



The whole point of parametric equalization is to negate irregular frequency response. For those like you who've never done it, you'd assume that we do it based on some mannequin head measurements but no, it's done by listening to a sinewave generator manually over the entire frequency range and designating where there are peaks/dips, then adjusting using param EQ to flatten those out.

 

Perhaps the M50S-LE has modified design/drivers, perhaps not. The fact of the matter is my perceived (meaning by ear) non-EQ'd sound signature of the M50's have recessed mids, as many have voiced about it in the past years.

 

Edit:

The only reason I haven't sold mine is because I need portable full-sized closed cans for commute after I've received the HiFiMAN HE400 for home use. The M50's have a fairly grainless sound which I like, the recessed mids (which I don't like) I just EQ up on my DAP on-the-go.



 

post #22 of 82
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Originally Posted by Deckard1979 View Post

To my eears the mids are recessed.  It seems really obvious.  I'll try and see what my wife thinks later on.
 



 


So you bought one as well? It might be helpful to provide what point of reference you're coming from, as well as what your source is.

I don't really understand why people keep saying that, maybe people are used to unnaturally upfront lush mids?

 


Edited by Sil3nce - 3/27/12 at 1:35pm
post #23 of 82
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What precisely would you accept as evidence?  Nothing.  You'd accept nothing as evidence, so quite what you're trying to achieve by pressing for it beats me.

 

Of course everything is subjective to some degree, but disputing the recessed mids in the M50s seems as futile as disputing the fact that 'Beats' (and the M50s!) have bloated, eccentuated bass.
 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post


So you bought one as well? It might be helpful to provide what point of reference you're coming from, as well as what your source is.

I don't really understand why people keep saying that, maybe people are used to unnaturally upfront lush mids?

 



 

post #24 of 82

Been reading up on headphones and particularly the ATH-M50 and I'm getting jitters just reading this thread :(

 

Bought the ATH-M50 (coiled) recently with my point of reference (or experience with) being Sony MDR-XD200 cans and Shure SE-215 IEMs (they just got delivered to my house not too long ago but I'm at work) Confused maybe. I've read in other posts and reviews that the bass is pretty decent in quality? Though I have read a recurring theme of recessed mids from slightly to apparently very recessed. 

post #25 of 82
Thread Starter 

Well, it would be good to hear your opinion on the quality of bass (and whether you think the mids are recessed). 

 

The sound signature may be to your liking, and clearly a tonne of other folk here like them, so worth giving them a shot.
 

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Been reading up on headphones and particularly the ATH-M50 and I'm getting jitters just reading this thread :(

 

Bought the ATH-M50 (coiled) recently with my point of reference (or experience with) being Sony MDR-XD200 cans and Shure SE-215 IEMs (they just got delivered to my house not too long ago but I'm at work) Confused maybe. I've read in other posts and reviews that the bass is pretty decent in quality? Though I have read a recurring theme of recessed mids from slightly to apparently very recessed. 



 

post #26 of 82
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Originally Posted by Deckard1979 View Post

What precisely would you accept as evidence?  Nothing.  You'd accept nothing as evidence, so quite what you're trying to achieve by pressing for it beats me.

 

Of course everything is subjective to some degree, but disputing the recessed mids in the M50s seems as futile as disputing the fact that 'Beats' (and the M50s!) have bloated, eccentuated bass.
 



 

Hold on here, what do you mean nothing?
You don't even know me. And you're new on this forum, l2accept people who doubt unfounded claims. I don't particular appreciate your attitude either.

The first step you're doing wrong is to assume your impressions mean anything without other information.

I completely dispute the fact the m50s have recessed mids. Deal with it. That's coming from a stax 507. 

 

 

post #27 of 82
Thread Starter 

Perhaps you can explain what you would accept as evidence then, since 'measurements mean nothing'?
 

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Hold on here, what do you mean nothing?
You don't even know me. And you're new on this forum, l2accept people who doubt unfounded claims. I don't particular appreciate your attitude either.

The first step you're doing wrong is to assume your impressions mean anything without other information.

I completely dispute the fact the m50s have recessed mids. Deal with it. That's coming from a stax 507. 

 

 



 

post #28 of 82
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Originally Posted by Deckard1979 View Post

Perhaps you can explain what you would accept as evidence then, since 'measurements mean nothing'?
 



 



Mind your own business, that wasn't even directed towards you.

First off, I would accept pictures of your m50 and your setup. If you can't even provide your source or reference, then you don't even have an argument. It also helps to be friendly to people.

post #29 of 82
Thread Starter 

The point I am making is that another poster here gave his assessment, which he backed up with actual measurements.  You dismissed this completely.  It sounds from the few posts you have made on this thread as though any perfectly logical reasoning will be rejected.

 

Measurements don't mean nothing.  The best way in which you can back up an assessment on how something sounds is by taking actual measurements.

 

You wouldn't argue against Beats having over-emphasised, muddy bass, would you?  My other point is yes, these characteristics can be subjective to a degree, but when it's this clear-cut I find it odd to claim otherwise.

 

FYI i'm amping them through an O2 headphone amp.
 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post

Hold on here, what do you mean nothing?
You don't even know me. And you're new on this forum, l2accept people who doubt unfounded claims. I don't particular appreciate your attitude either.

The first step you're doing wrong is to assume your impressions mean anything without other information.

I completely dispute the fact the m50s have recessed mids. Deal with it. That's coming from a stax 507. 

 

 



 

post #30 of 82
Thread Starter 

Mind my own business?  You're posting on the topic I started!

 

You'd accept pictures as evidence of how something sounds?

 

Hmm.
 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post



Mind your own business, that wasn't even directed towards you.

First off, I would accept pictures of your m50 and your setup. If you can't even provide your source or reference, then you don't even have an argument. It also helps to be friendly to people.



 

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