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Is there any difference in sound quality between a SHM-CD Rip and a Regular-CD Rip? 

 

Let's assume that the only difference is the CD material (not some special SHM remaster version). The CDs are ripped using EAC. The resulting files are 100% exact audio copies of the original CD. 

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Originally Posted by spandexninja View Post

Is there any difference in sound quality between a SHM-CD Rip and a Regular-CD Rip? 

 

Let's assume that the only difference is the CD material (not some special SHM remaster version). The CDs are ripped using EAC. The resulting files are 100% exact audio copies of the original CD. 


I'm not too well versed in shm cds but I have read threads about this before. The answer is no. Here's the thread.

 

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=271766

 

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I'm not too well versed in shm cds but I have read threads about this before. The answer is no. Here's the thread.

 

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=271766

 



 

Thanks for the link. Post #43 explains it well.

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post #43 is from someone who while his name is well known in mastering circles is big on making bold claims that are clearly placebo effect

he's claimed on more than one occasion to have heard a difference between wav and flac

he's just an old man who started out back in the days when digital was a naughty word and has it set in his mind that things that applied to analog sound reproduction will also apply in the digital realm

and if you bring up blind ABX tests (which BTW is against that forum's rules) he will straight ignore or talk around the subject with a bunch of nonsense
Edited by necropimp - 3/23/12 at 4:02am
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Thanks for the link. Post #43 explains it well.

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So SHM CD vs. normal CD audio is no difference at all ?

 

what about DVD-Audio ?

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Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post

So SHM CD vs. normal CD audio is no difference at all ?

 

what about DVD-Audio ?


SHM vs CD = no difference at all

 

DVD-Audio usually has higher bit rates and sample rates when compared to regular CD.

 

The big differences in SACD and DVD-A's come in the mastering. Usually companies will require that the CD be made louder to remain competitive but will not require that from the DVD-A or SACD layer. Hence, most engineers will actually leave the dynamic range intact for those high-res transfers/masters instead of squashing the dynamics like they do for the CD's.

 

HOWEVER...if the master source is the exact same for the SACD/DVD-A/CD, you'd be hard pressed to hear a difference.

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SHM vs CD = no difference at all

 

DVD-Audio usually has higher bit rates and sample rates when compared to regular CD.

 

The big differences in SACD and DVD-A's come in the mastering. Usually companies will require that the CD be made louder to remain competitive but will not require that from the DVD-A or SACD layer. Hence, most engineers will actually leave the dynamic range intact for those high-res transfers/masters instead of squashing the dynamics like they do for the CD's.

 

HOWEVER...if the master source is the exact same for the SACD/DVD-A/CD, you'd be hard pressed to hear a difference.

LFF,

Many thanks for the explanation, because at the moment after getting Westone W4 IEM along with Fiio E11 amp, I now realized that most of my (Rock Metal & Instrumental) musics are in 128 - 256 KBps got some unclean textures or bit muffled.

 

and now I'm trying to get MP3 with 320 kbps and of course get the high bit rate Audio CD, 24 bit remastered CD, SACD or DVD-Audio if I can find one.

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Originally Posted by spandexninja View Post

Is there any difference in sound quality between a SHM-CD Rip and a Regular-CD Rip? 

Let's assume that the only difference is the CD material (not some special SHM remaster version). The CDs are ripped using EAC. The resulting files are 100% exact audio copies of the original CD. 


I was listening to a source from SHM this week. I did not know what this referred to.

What I did know is that these sources sounded better than my many old versions of classic material that I have known well for decades, heard on vinyl, 8-track, cassette, CD, gold CD, DCC, MFSL and various audiophile remastering incarnations.

Often these SHM sound far superior to the point where I am A/B the sources as they sound as though they have been EQéd because there is so much more detail and SQ in many of these sources. The lower mid and upper bass range, espeically, seems to be affected in these releases. That could easily be EQ in the remastering process.

I have found it often to be the case that Japanese pressings and remasterings sound superior to other sources.

Whether this is due to detail in process, the remastering chain, being able to get a *real* first generation master and not a regional safety copy, the engineering and tech involved, low pressing counts on stampers, or other factors, it is clear that often Japanese pressings and recordings and sources are better sounding.

As far as the SHM material, I have no idea what that is.

I *can*, however, tell you that the first CD I purchased in 1983, REM's ;Murmur'', has begun to have physical drop outs for the past 3 or 4 years.
In the case of that CD it *is* a case that this delaminated and began to decay, and lose the ability to store music (it skips and drops out and the spots are visible to the naked eye).
This breakdown, by the way, is precisely what MFSL, DCC and the Gold CD makers claimed.
The handful of Gold CD's I have from 1988 have not had this issue.
Edited by marone - 5/26/14 at 3:10pm
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