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post #706 of 923
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

yes but preference comes in as well eric, maybe id prefer a fairly cheap universal over the V6 for example. I must say that i fine CIEMS not to have that wow factor that one may expect although my best IEM is the custom Lear LCM-5. I also find myself preferring universals to share music and quicker fit...

 

The vsonics could well be more expensive than Cosmic but could also be a lot better but for now the Cosmic stuff is amaing and a huge contender in and above its price!

 

I understand preference, Swimsonny. That's why I stated maybe, maybe not. Then again, my ranking of the V6 (in my opinion) is base on its technical capability. I wouldn't say it is the best sound IEM I've heard because it's a custom or I prefer 1964 EARS. I clearly stated that some universal I've heard sound better than the 1964-Q in some ways, so preference wouldn't fit into my argument (and I think 1964 EARS is wonderful company to do business with). There are some under $200 and under $100 IEMs that I prefer over the some top tiers I've owned and heard, but I still recognize the superior earphone's capabilities (prime example of this for me is the Sony EX1000 .... great earphone technically but I can barely stand to listen to it because of its harsh highs and the way it's shaped). I must admit that we live in a time within this hobby where we generally get a lot of bang for our bucks.

post #707 of 923
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I'm in the "does the music sound awesome?" camp. (Does anybody remember music?) Could mean many things to many people, of course. I don't pretend to be an acousitc engineer just because I can look at an fr graph and go "hmmm" while scratching my chin in a professorial manner. At the end of the day, I love listening to music - if I only had a crap set of earbuds, I'd use them.

 

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post #708 of 923
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post


I'm in the "does the music sound awesome?" camp. (Does anybody remember music?) Could mean many things to many people, of course. I don't pretend to be an acousitc engineer just because I can look at an fr graph and go "hmmm" while scratching my chin in a professorial manner. At the end of the day, I love listening to music - if I only had a crap set of earbuds, I'd use them.

 

Understood. Not pretending to be anything, just have a curiosity about why stuff sounds the way it does that needs to be satiated. Plus it's just more helpful to people when a reviewer qualifies what they mean when they say " it's awesome". Basically if we understand more of why things sounds the way they do, we can communicate more efficiently about iems, and consequently make more informed buying decisions.

 

One example is learning how to read a CSD, which can show slower decaying bass which would make bass sound more emphasized. Listening impressions are a good start, and learning this other stuff can back up listening impressions by adding more detailed information. Plus people can be give bad advice sometimes, or have poor recall for comparisons, which might lead to a person (like me haha) buying something they're not looking for. It's good to have more objective info as a double check before buying.

post #709 of 923

Regarding the coaxial GR07. A coax speaker is a speaker with two drivers, basically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_speakers

post #710 of 923
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Regarding the coaxial GR07. A coax speaker is a speaker with two drivers, basically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_speakers

 

I guess then that the "coax GR07" will use something like the Radius DDM dual driver?

post #711 of 923
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

 

Understood. Not pretending to be anything, just have a curiosity about why stuff sounds the way it does that needs to be satiated. Plus it's just more helpful to people when a reviewer qualifies what they mean when they say " it's awesome". Basically if we understand more of why things sounds the way they do, we can communicate more efficiently about iems, and consequently make more informed buying decisions.

 

One example is learning how to read a CSD, which can show slower decaying bass which would make bass sound more emphasized. Listening impressions are a good start, and learning this other stuff can back up listening impressions by adding more detailed information. Plus people can be give bad advice sometimes, or have poor recall for comparisons, which might lead to a person (like me haha) buying something they're not looking for. It's good to have more objective info as a double check before buying.


I like your response, gnarls - totally makes sense to me. I worry about getting hung up on the science end of listening because it's such a slippery slope - there is just so much to consider from a technical standpoint that one could easily spend several years learning all there is to know about audio gear, recording techniques, sound science, etc. I think I've subconsciously made a pact with myself to not go down that road and just focus on enjoying the music instead - if I end up buying a couple of lemons along the way, so be it - my wife would forgive me for buying a couple pairs of headphones that I end up not liking, but spending countless hours researching and learning about the science of it all would surely put me in hot water. It is interesting stuff to read about, but I have to prioritize my free time in a way that keeps things smooth between my wife and I. And in keeping with step 7 of the headphone addicts' 12-step recovery program, I apologize for my snarkiness.

post #712 of 923

Sorry - it's actually Step 9. I wrote this in jest earlier, but I think it can help a lot of still-suffering headphone addicts.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/584763/heir-audio-the-appreciation-thread/4860
 

post #713 of 923
VSONIC_CEO:
says 中國第一塞阿GR09面世[偷笑] 售價3399元。工程機先給大家過目了,不需要耳放,隨身輕易推,別跟我說高阻的東西素質多高多強,媽的要耳放還買你幹屌,對吧[偷笑]。雖然與07相同外觀,但是全新開設了模具,做工提升不少,採用全新導管,外殼顏色暫未確定,親們喜歡什麼色?要騷的還是? [偷笑]

replies 此耳塞採用了一款神秘振膜,全球獨一無二,比SONY採用的液晶振膜更為高端,至於是什麼振膜,由於商業機密,將不會透露,振膜代碼M110,簡稱M110振膜
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A first look at the GR09 [heh], retailing at 3399 CNY. As you see from the engineering unit, it won't need an amp (?), and is driven easily from portable sources, so don't tell me that high impedance (or resistance?) stuff is oh so difficult to drive (?); why the f ** k (trying to be true to the language here...) would I sell you something that needs an amp? [heh] Even though the exterior is shared with the 07, it's made from brand new molds and the improvement in build quality is substantial --- it uses brand new sound tubes. The color hasn't been decided, so what do you guys like? Want a flashy color, or what? [heh]
 
This model uses a mysterious diaphragm, unlike anything else on this planet, and is even more high-end than Sony's liquid crystal diaphragm. Since it's a trade secret, we won't reveal what it is, but the diaphragm model number is M110.

 

(Yeah, I know, it looks identical to the GR07, so it's useless; he really didn't need to show us a picture)


Edited by tomscy2000 - 2/3/13 at 6:32am
post #714 of 923

Um, wasn't the GR09 supposed to be the 6 armature modelrolleyes.gif?

 

Wish they would ditch that housing though. Not unappreciative of Vsonic's efforts but the phones in that housing have all had unbalanced images; wider than taller on occasion and usually lacking depth and a 3-D sense even if well separated. Unless they vented differently or something else, average depth would be even more of an issue than with the GR07. In a time where makers are using double cavity and lengthening housings etc., where is the mention of correcting one of the GR07's biggest shortcomings?

post #715 of 923
ME WANT,GOTTA RESIST!!!!!!! biggrin.gif
post #716 of 923
http://www.mcgoff-bethune.com/techlink/isi-diap/isi-diap.htm
So it look like it is a electroless nickel diaphragm biggrin.gif
post #717 of 923

Oh this wait is killing me. Any new about the release date yet?

post #718 of 923
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Oh this wait is killing me. Any new about the release date yet?

I was excited when I saw you posted here, thinking maybe they had arrived. What a downer...

post #719 of 923
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

I was excited when I saw you posted here, thinking maybe they had arrived. What a downer...

 

 

LOL ... Funny!

post #720 of 923

Thats confusing. What kind of iem gr09 is? Single Dynamic with different diaphragm? Still no pics of gr08

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