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post #286 of 315
Just got my ref 10.32. It's a clear difference to my nfb10.32. These two dacs are not indistinguishable!

For a thorough judgement i need to listen more, but I have vague idea already.biggrin.gif

Thanks alrainbow of this forum for a smooth transaction.

Cheers
Chris
post #287 of 315
Kind Enjoy.

Al
post #288 of 315

I just had a chance to listen to my Ref10.32 with LCD 2 cans.

Well, this is not a good match. Ref10.32 being way too dark for LCDs.

I am glad I went HD800 route.

But on the other hand LCDs sounded much better with ALO PanAm dac+amp.

post #289 of 315
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Originally Posted by PiNa.cz View Post
 

I just had a chance to listen to my Ref10.32 with LCD 2 cans.

Well, this is not a good match. Ref10.32 being way too dark for LCDs.

I am glad I went HD800 route.

But on the other hand LCDs sounded much better with ALO PanAm dac+amp.

 

This was my experience with the LCD-2s and the Ref 10 as well.

post #290 of 315

Has anyone heard both the Reference 10.32 and a Master 7 + Master 9 stack?  How close are these two in performance?

post #291 of 315
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Originally Posted by bigfatpaulie View Post
 

Has anyone heard both the Reference 10.32 and a Master 7 + Master 9 stack?  How close are these two in performance?

 

I'm using the Reference 10 as a preamp at the moment, but the Master 7 pulls every little detail out of a recording, while the Ref 10's dac could almost get the job done. The dac section of the Ref 10 is darker compared to the M7, which is closer to neutral. One of my problems with listening on the Ref 10 was the somewhat strident treble, but turned out to be a problem with the 2013 usb driver. I still heard the same issue with the treble on the M7 until the 2014 usb driver. I'll have to give the Ref 10 another listen (If i can find it in my heart to stop listening through M7). 

 

Overall I want to say they are tonally very similar/they render sounds similarly. But, the M7 does everything better to the extent that I am very happy with my purchase. Even through the amp stage of the Ref 10 i'm simply hearing more than I ever have. I'm looking forward to when I can get around to buying the M9 and running acss from the M7. 

 

The biggest differences in a nutshell are the soundstaging, bass quality/texture, detail retrieval, transparency, and instrument separation. Voices are more forward on the Ref 10.


Edited by blitzxgene - 1/19/14 at 11:03am
post #292 of 315

Thanks Blitz.

 

It's a tough call - does one spend $1850 on the combo or $3730 on the stack.  I know the stack will not be TWICE as good, but it is enough of an improvement to justify the cost?  It's a hard decision to make without hearing the gear...

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

post #293 of 315
I had both but used it with the offramp 5 and AP1/PP. AND the results were not as bad as you claim. The M7 is better but I did not feel is was that far off. Bit we all do hear different ?

Al
post #294 of 315
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I had both but used it with the offramp 5 and AP1/PP. AND the results were not as bad as you claim. The M7 is better but I did not feel is was that far off. Bit we all do hear different ?

Al

 

Perhaps with the offramp 5 and ap1/pp they aren't so far apart, I'm going off the qualities of the usb-32 from what I remember of the Ref 10. I still haven't gotten around to installing the newest firmware on the 10, but only because the m7 won't let me. It's kinda possessive of my time...

post #295 of 315

all I can say is kingwa makes a good dac, but his week link is the usb input. it most likely has to with the method and clocks he uses  . im sure it will sound much better with either of the usb to spidif adaptors. I just sold my ref 10 . someone here bought it . and I think they said they have a ap2 and pp. 

 

al

post #296 of 315
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Originally Posted by bigfatpaulie View Post
 

Thanks Blitz.

 

It's a tough call - does one spend $1850 on the combo or $3730 on the stack.  I know the stack will not be TWICE as good, but it is enough of an improvement to justify the cost?  It's a hard decision to make without hearing the gear...

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

 

Well, I just upgraded the usb-32 on the Ref 10 and listened to several songs/taking notes before switching back the the M7. Honestly they are very close as Alrainbow was saying, but there still are differences. While the Ref 10 can on certain well recorded songs make my speakers perform a disappearing act, the M7 does it on a larger number. The Ref 10 has a wide soundstage with very good separation of instruments but the M7 separates everything a bit more and places them over a wider field. This difference in part could be coming from the usb-32 implementation/lessoned with a better transport. What i'd personally want to hear is an off ramp i2s battle between the two, once someone got around to setting their Reference 10 that way. If I could solder in anyway I would (even bought the i2s kit for the Ref 10, before noticing I'd have to solder... :(). 

 

It's very expensive to get those last few percent...


Edited by blitzxgene - 1/21/14 at 2:05pm
post #297 of 315
You do not need to solder . It's just removing the USB board and installing the rj45 board. Just screws. It's what I did. And it's how I know they can be pretty close. But your astute listening is correct regarding the changes. And given the ref 10 has a preamp it's a great bargain at the price point.

Al
post #298 of 315
Anyone know what this puts out as a pre-amp via the RCA outputs? I see 10Vrms quoted as max for balanced out, but nothing listed for single-ended output...
post #299 of 315

Can any one share information on the 2014 usb? Is that an upgrade?

 

Just throwing a question - if I have a chance, should I get a separate usb box to connect to reference 10?

post #300 of 315
Read back a few pages. People here liked very much. But if you go down the USB converter highway. Read reviews on what you buy .

Al
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