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post #436 of 555

Anyone know how one of these compares to the iBasso D7 when used purely as a USB to SPDIF transport for an external DAC? I'm using a D7 to feed my Benchmark DAC1 to surprisingly pleasant result, but I'm wondering if the HiFace 2 would provide better results or not.

post #437 of 555

I just noticed that Luckit is at it again. They have posted a new driver version 2.15. Wonder if anyone has tried this new driver with their Hiface 2? 

post #438 of 555

I installed it, but I found no sonic difference.

If you are interested for adapted INF ani INI files:

http://ryushare.com/0grmwhh2yzli/Luckit_HiFace2_INF_INI(v2.15.0).zip


Edited by bogi - 1/14/14 at 4:15pm
post #439 of 555
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Originally Posted by bogi View Post
 

I installed it, but I found no sonic difference.

If you are interested for adapted INF ani INI files:

http://ryushare.com/0grmwhh2yzli/Luckit_HiFace2_INF_INI(v2.15.0).zip

Thanks very much for the quick reply. I love this forum the members are always helpful. I'm compulsive so I will also try this and report back if  I can see any difference. It may be that the Luckit folks have a newer version of the Xmos chip in their product. Anyway, I will also give it a try with my Hiface 2

post #440 of 555

I have installed this new Luckit driver and have been listening for several hours. I have to agree that there is little if any difference between this and the latest driver provided by M2tech. I get the impression that there is a slight improvement in instrument separation and it might be a touch faster with transients but that is the only difference I can see. I am going to leave the Luckit driver in as it certainly is not a step back.

post #441 of 555

I hope the stability will be better with the newer one, thanks for the drive bogi!

post #442 of 555

Which type of stability concerns do you mean?

post #443 of 555
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Originally Posted by bogi View Post
 

Which type of stability concerns do you mean?

 

Almost every single day I need disconnect and reconnect the USB cable some times 2-3 times a day, mostly happens in a critical moments when I'm working on Cubase (super annoying). A better latency will also be a plus with those drivers.

post #444 of 555

I have no latency related issues. when I run DPC Latency Checker, I am typically at the level 120us. But I don't use WiFi.

 

I use a special Y type USB cable with a separate cable branch leading to 5V power supply. It brings better dynamics and level of detail.

post #445 of 555
Quote:
Originally Posted by bogi View Post
 

I installed it, but I found no sonic difference.

If you are interested for adapted INF ani INI files:

http://ryushare.com/0grmwhh2yzli/Luckit_HiFace2_INF_INI(v2.15.0).zip

 

Thank you very much I asked a question of a technical support driver version 2.15 (xmos universal driver). They ignored ....

 

 

TUSBAudio - Thesycon USB Audio 2.0 Class Driver for Windows

Revision History


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.15.0 (October 21, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* Fix: KS mute control only (no volume control) did not work.

* Chg: re-enabled the Generic child PDO feature in Lite version

* Chg: supported sample rate list in DSD mode = supported list in PCM mode

* New: DSD sample rate 11.2 MHz is supported if device supports 352800 Hz

* Chg: Driver package .sys files are not signed any longer.

* Chg: DriverPackageBuilder now requires code signing certificate.
Pre-signed .sys files are not supported any longer as these
do not work under Windows 8.


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.14.0 (September 24, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* New: Firmware update wizard GUI improved

* New: setup.ini supports LaunchAfterInst feature

* Chg: Final step of DFU procedure modified:
procedure waits until the new firmware comes up but ignores error


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.13.0 (September 02, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* Fix: send correct DSD idle pattern when streaming starts

* New: ASIO DSD mode supported, tested with Foobar

* New: Lite version is restricted to XMOS VID


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.12.0 (August 23, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* New: ASIO DSD mode supported (beta, not yet fully tested)


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.11.0 (August 20, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------
* Internal engineering release.

* New: DSD support (beta)

* New: Driver sets friendly name shown in device manager
to product string reported by the device
if ShowFriendlyDeviceName features is enabled via .inf

* Fix: Memory leaks in NonPaged pool (minor issue)


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.10.0 (June 14, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* Chg: Final step of DFU procedure modified:
Now procedure does not wait until the new firmware comes up.

* Fix: Workaround in driver installer for Vista specific problem:
required MS root cert will not be installed automatically.

* New: API DLL registration added,
enables an application to locate the DLL.

* New: Driver .inf setting EnableAsioKsSharing added,
enable/disable ASIO+WDM playback mix

* Fix: custom.ini cannot be loaded if path contains
UNICODE characters


-----------------------------------------------------
V2.0.0 (April 26, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* New: Lite driver variant introduced

* New: new USB buffer setting: UsbStreamingMode_Reliable = 12 ms
default setting in Lite driver

* Chg: TUsbAudioDeviceProperties contains a valid serialNumberString
only if the device reports a USB serial number.

* New: new API function TUSBAUDIO_GetDeviceInstanceIdString

* Chg: merged in current library code


-----------------------------------------------------
V1.67.0 (April 4, 2013)
-----------------------------------------------------

* Fix: Invalid feedback values can cause BSOD.
Driver now ignores invalid values.
Error statistics added.

* Fix: Problem with optional volume characteristics correction
and audio class requests through API.

* Fix: incorrect AddAndClipInt32bSamples in integer plugin

post #446 of 555
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Originally Posted by bogi View Post
 

I have no latency related issues. when I run DPC Latency Checker, I am typically at the level 120us. But I don't use WiFi.

 

I use a special Y type USB cable with a separate cable branch leading to 5V power supply. It brings better dynamics and level of detail.

 

 

I meant a better latency by programming the FPGA chip, if there is one, or is the Xmos in charge of the latency issues. A better latency can effect the sound in a good way as well. BTW, my DPC latency checker shows 25-35us.

 

I cant get under 256 samples @ 9.796 ms on Cubase 7.6, and this is a huge disappointment for me.

 

 

 

There is also this warning that supposed not to pop up,

 

post #447 of 555

Has anone been able to use the Hiface Two with Windows 8.1 64bit?

 

I got one today, and tried it on both my new PC (Asus H87M-Pro mainboard) and my laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad L530). I followed the instructions in the manual. I tried both currently available drivers (1.61 and 1.70), various USB connections (USB 2 and 3), but on both PCs there is no way to get reliable playback. Testing 16/44 in the audio properties works, but with 24/96 there is stuttering sound and then the sound becomes unavailable.

 

I also tried all the possible output methods in Foobar (DS, KS, WASAPI, ASIO). 24/96 doesn't work at all, and with 16/44 the sound hangs when skipping tracks.

 

To exclude a hardware defect on the Hiface, I got my 9 year old Thinkpad R50 running Windows XP 32bit from the basement, installed the driver, and everything worked as it should.

 

Could Windows 8.1 be the problem? I googled but haven't found anyone with experience on this combination.

 

 

post #448 of 555

Acix, some of my latest experiences I did yesterday evening and today. I am using i5 based Fujitsu Lifebook E780 with Win7 64 bit, Foobar2000 v1.2.9 and the latest v2.1.15 LucIt/WaveIO drivers.

 

When I set Standard latency as on your picture, I get your message on 128 samples, so I can safely have 256 selected.

On Low latency USB Streaming Mode I got the message on 64 samples setting. On 128 and more so such message appears.

On the Minimum latency mode and 64 samples, no message appeared.

 

The sound quality in terms of fine detail is best on the minimum latency setting. I got ocassional clicks with this setting. I found that setting bigger ASIO buffer in the UAC Driver Control Panel helps to lower occurence of clicks, so I set that buffer to maximum. But ocassionally some clicks still appeared. Then I remembered I have set hiFace as default output sound device (I watched som youtube videos). Interesting is, that after setting my internal soundcard as default output device the ocassional clicks disappeared. I heard clicks while copying some album from internal disk to my USB disk, but otherwise now I am satisfied with the Minimal latency setting.

 

I hear also some difference between ASIO, KS and WASAPI (event mode). The most detail level is provided by KS, it sound a little bit brighter with more air and more concrete colors of sounds. I use it preferably. Interesting is, that ASIO provides me more bass impact. WASAPI is something inbetween. I tested this with more songs to be sure with this observation.

 

I have no issues with different bitrates up to 96k. My CD player Harman Kardon HD 970 I use as DAC (it has S/PDIF inputs) allows max. 96k through coax input, so I cannot test 192k.

 

As I don't have quite the same results as you, the difference can be caused by specifics of the used player HW (computer) and SW. Or are there different hiFace Two units? Is anything like firmware upgrade available? Can I find my firmware info anywhere?

post #449 of 555
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Originally Posted by bogi View Post
 

Acix, some of my latest experiences I did yesterday evening and today. I am using i5 based Fujitsu Lifebook E780 with Win7 64 bit, Foobar2000 v1.2.9 and the latest v2.1.15 LucIt/WaveIO drivers.

 

When I set Standard latency as on your picture, I get your message on 128 samples, so I can safely have 256 selected.

On Low latency USB Streaming Mode I got the message on 64 samples setting. On 128 and more so such message appears.

On the Minimum latency mode and 64 samples, no message appeared.

 

The sound quality in terms of fine detail is best on the minimum latency setting. I got ocassional clicks with this setting. I found that setting bigger ASIO buffer in the UAC Driver Control Panel helps to lower occurence of clicks, so I set that buffer to maximum. But ocassionally some clicks still appeared. Then I remembered I have set hiFace as default output sound device (I watched som youtube videos). Interesting is, that after setting my internal soundcard as default output device the ocassional clicks disappeared. I heard clicks while copying some album from internal disk to my USB disk, but otherwise now I am satisfied with the Minimal latency setting.

 

I hear also some difference between ASIO, KS and WASAPI (event mode). The most detail level is provided by KS, it sound a little bit brighter with more air and more concrete colors of sounds. I use it preferably. Interesting is, that ASIO provides me more bass impact. WASAPI is something inbetween. I tested this with more songs to be sure with this observation.

 

I have no issues with different bitrates up to 96k. My CD player Harman Kardon HD 970 I use as DAC (it has S/PDIF inputs) allows max. 96k through coax input, so I cannot test 192k.

 

As I don't have quite the same results as you, the difference can be caused by specifics of the used player HW (computer) and SW. Or are there different hiFace Two units? Is anything like firmware upgrade available? Can I find my firmware info anywhere?

 

 

The LucIt/WaveIO drivers should work as a default output device, and with the help of the ASIO you should be able to switch between the sound softwares on your computer with out any problems, this is why ASIO is made for (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Stream_Input/Output). But obviously something wrong with those drivers. I'll try the new driver version soon.

post #450 of 555

Can someone explain how the Thesycon driver can be installed for the Hiface Two in Windows 8.1 64bit if the setup routine fails to recognize the device?

 

Given that the Hiface Two 1.70 and 1.67 drivers don't work well on my Windows 8.1 PCs (see my previous post), the m2Tech support sent me their not yet official 2.20 driver (they asked me not to share the file though), which is based on the Thesycon 2.16 driver.

 

However, the driver cannot be installed on my computers. Not with the setup routine (it fails to detect the Hiface2, although it is visible in the device manager), and also not "manually" through the device manager. I get a "driver could not be installed (Code 10)" error message. Does the driver signature verification need to be disabled?

 

M2Tech apparently hasn't tested the driver on all the Windows platforms, so it's rather difficult to solve the problem.

 

Thank you

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