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post #4921 of 6922
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I would love it if Schiit made a phono pre with MM/MC compatibility. I would pay upwords of $250-$300 for that

Yes that would be an awesome product to add to the lineup. 

post #4922 of 6922
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post


Mjolnir+audeze= very nice

Mjolnir +hd800= not as nice

Gungnir is well regarded no matter what though, as far as I've read, I do t personally have one

What about Lyr and HD800?

post #4923 of 6922
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Originally Posted by vincent215 View Post
 

What about Lyr and HD800?

I haven't heard the Lyr in any capacity so I really couldn't tell you, however what I can say is people generally enjoy tube amps with HD800? Maybe someone with a Lyr will chime in.

post #4924 of 6922
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post


Mjolnir+audeze= very nice

Mjolnir +hd800= not as nice

Gungnir is well regarded no matter what though, as far as I've read, I do t personally have one

What about Lyr and HD800?

 

If you already own the Lyr then it will serve as a decent stop-gap amp for the HD800 until you upgrade. Be prepared to tube roll though.

 

If you don't have the Lyr then the more affordable Vali is the better option. It's a more refined and transparent amp for the HD800. Bonus that it's cheaper, with no added tube rolling expense - meaning more money towards better upstream gear, or money saved for that uber amp down the track.

 

As for the post you're replying to - yes, the Gungnir/MJ stack is indeed great for the Audez'e, but the MJ is no slouch for the HD800 either. In that rig you'll just need to look beyond the Gungnir for the source component. It is not a good match for the HD800 and I'm certainly not the only person to express this. The Gungnir is not "well regarded no matter what". It boils down to synergy and preference, and the Gungnir/HD800 mix is an acquired taste IME.

post #4925 of 6922
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

If you already own the Lyr then it will serve as a decent stop-gap amp for the HD800 until you upgrade. Be prepared to tube roll though.

 

If you don't have the Lyr then the more affordable Vali is the better option. It's a more refined and transparent amp for the HD800. Bonus that it's cheaper, with no added tube rolling expense - meaning more money towards better upstream gear, or money saved for that uber amp down the track.

 

As for the post you're replying to - yes, the Gungnir/MJ stack is indeed great for the Audez'e, but the MJ is no slouch for the HD800 either. In that rig you'll just need to look beyond the Gungnir for the source component. It is not a good match for the HD800 and I'm certainly not the only person to express this. The Gungnir is not "well regarded no matter what". It boils down to synergy and preference, and the Gungnir/HD800 mix is an acquired taste IME.


Yea, searching round the forum and seeing this kind of response was what stopped me from goin to the HD800... cause I really didn't want to spend on such a premium can only to have to change up my Mojo/Gungnir stack (my wallet thanks me).

 

Unfortunately (or fortunately? :p), in the process of that research I read ravings bout my rig with LCDs... so now... here I am... (wallet shrugs in defeat, but relieved to know it coulda been worse)

post #4926 of 6922
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Originally Posted by vincent215 View Post

What about Lyr and HD800?
I am currently using a pair of HD800 with the Lyr (and Bifrost), and I will say that with the stock Lyr tubes (GE 6BZ7), the treble is a little overemphasized, and the mid and bass are a little weak. Everything else with this combo is great.

With a set of Voskhod 6N23P, however, all I can say is holy @#$*)$#@($!!! biggrin.gif The Voskhods really bring out the mids and bass from the music, and it also tames the treble overemphasis without losing any detail. I am really enjoying this combo (Bifrost + Lyr + Voskhod 6N23P + HD800) right now. It is like having an eargasm every time I listen to it. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by Traum - 3/27/14 at 3:11pm
post #4927 of 6922
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I am currently using a pair of HD800 with the Lyr (and Bifrost), and I will say that with the stock Lyr tubes (GE 6BZ7), the treble is a little overemphasized, and the mid and bass are a little weak. Everything else with this combo is great.

With a set of Voskhod 6N23P, however, all I can say is holy @#$*)$#@($!!! biggrin.gif The Voskhods really bring out the mids and bass from the music, and it also tames the treble overemphasis without losing any detail. I am really enjoying this combo (Bifrost + Lyr + Voskhod 6N23P + HD800) right now. It is like having an eargasm every time I listen to it. smily_headphones1.gif

 

This pretty much sums up my experience.  The Voskhod 6N23Ps are indeed @#$*)$#@($!!!

post #4928 of 6922
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Originally Posted by Traum View Post


I am currently using a pair of HD800 with the Lyr (and Bifrost), and I will say that with the stock Lyr tubes (GE 6BZ7), the treble is a little overemphasized, and the mid and bass are a little weak. Everything else with this combo is great.

With a set of Voskhod 6N23P, however, all I can say is holy @#$*)$#@($!!! biggrin.gif The Voskhods really bring out the mids and bass from the music, and it also tames the treble overemphasis without losing any detail. I am really enjoying this combo (Bifrost + Lyr + Voskhod 6N23P + HD800) right now. It is like having an eargasm every time I listen to it. smily_headphones1.gif

It's good to hear that somebody found the synergy between Lyr & HD800.  I will order the Lyr asap.

If I remember correctly, there's an option for Ly upgrade tube, and it's not on their website atm. What's up with it, and is the upgrade tube same with Voskhod 6N23P?

 

Thanks.

post #4929 of 6922
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Originally Posted by vincent215 View Post

What about Lyr and HD800?
I am currently using a pair of HD800 with the Lyr (and Bifrost), and I will say that with the stock Lyr tubes (GE 6BZ7), the treble is a little overemphasized, and the mid and bass are a little weak. Everything else with this combo is great.

With a set of Voskhod 6N23P, however, all I can say is holy @#$*)$#@($!!! biggrin.gif The Voskhods really bring out the mids and bass from the music, and it also tames the treble overemphasis without losing any detail. I am really enjoying this combo (Bifrost + Lyr + Voskhod 6N23P + HD800) right now. It is like having an eargasm every time I listen to it. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Curious if you've heard the HD800 with anything other than the Lyr. The Lyr is a wonderful amp for the LCD-2 in the way it grips that headphone and conveys an engaging and full bodied presentation. Unfortunately detail retrieval isn't a strength and the HD800 is stifled irrespective of tube choice. For me the best Lyr tubes for resolution were the fabled Lorenz Stuttgarts. I just found them less dynamic than other tubes I had on hand at the time. 60's Amperex Bugle Boys struck the best balance. I had some cryo-treated 6N23P's that were ok. Can't recall what they were exactly though.

post #4930 of 6922
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What about Lyr and HD800?
I was running the HD800s with a Lyr and an Audiolab M-DAC and upgraded to the Gungnir despite some warnings from wise people about the alleged no-go between the HD800s and the Gungnir, particularly when paired with the Mjolnir. Well, the Gungnir does wonders for the Lyr, but the result with the HD800, howsoever rolled the Lyr may be, is wondrously clear but a little sterile. My first amp, however, a Lehmann clone from China, is completely transformed by the Gungnir, so I am trying to arrange to audition Herr Lehmann's finest somewhere.

I am not threadbending here! There is some justification to the caution of the wise concerning the Gungnir/HD800 synergy, but the Gungnir is a fantastic product and the Gungnir/Lyr is great for my other headphones, particularly the HD650s. Let's face it, all headphones are tricky to an extent, and we will all end up with more than one amp as we continue to tweak our way to sonic...er... Valhalla.
Edited by Amictus - 3/27/14 at 10:23pm
post #4931 of 6922
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Originally Posted by vincent215 View Post

What about Lyr and HD800?
I was running the HD800s with a Lyr and an Audiolab M-DAC and upgraded to the Gungnir despite some warnings from wise people about the alleged no-go between the HD800s and the Gungnir, particularly when paired with the Mjolnir. Well, the Gungnir does wonders for the Lyr, but the result with the HD800, howsoever rolled the Lyr may be, is wondrously clear but a little sterile. My first amp, however, a Lehmann clone from China, is completely transformed by the Gungnir, so I am trying to arrange to audition Herr Lehmann's finest somewhere.

I am not threadbending here! There is some justification to the caution of the wise concerning the Gungnir/HD800 synergy, but the Gungnir is a fantastic product and the Gungnir/Lyr is great for my other headphones, particularly the HD650s. Let's face it, all headphones are tricky to an extent, and we will all end up with more than one amp as we continue to tweak our way to sonic...er... Valhalla.

 

That's because the Lyr reigns in the Gungnir's obnoxious and shouty quality. Some people really dig that energy but for me the Gungnir lacked deftness when called for. The Gungnir is described as dynamic when it's actually compressed in that sense. It's just tilted towards "loud" and people confuse that as dynamics. This zest is what makes it a great component for the LCD-2 though. For the HD800 it's unbridled fatigue. The Gungnir is like the hyper active kid bordering on a sugar over-dose.

post #4932 of 6922
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That's because the Lyr reigns in the Gungnir's obnoxious and shouty quality. Some people really dig that energy but for me the Gungnir lacked deftness when called for. The Gungnir is described as dynamic when it's actually compressed in that sense. It's just tilted towards "loud" and people confuse that as dynamics. This zest is what makes it a great component for the LCD-2 though. For the HD800 it's unbridled fatigue. The Gungnir is like the hyper active kid bordering on a sugar over-dose.

Of course most of us disagree with you.......so its really your opinion that the Mojo sounds they way it does to your ears. And yes it our opinion too.

post #4933 of 6922
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

That's because the Lyr reigns in the Gungnir's obnoxious and shouty quality. Some people really dig that energy but for me the Gungnir lacked deftness when called for. The Gungnir is described as dynamic when it's actually compressed in that sense. It's just tilted towards "loud" and people confuse that as dynamics. This zest is what makes it a great component for the LCD-2 though. For the HD800 it's unbridled fatigue. The Gungnir is like the hyper active kid bordering on a sugar over-dose.

Of course most of us disagree with you.......so its really your opinion that the Mojo sounds they way it does to your ears. And yes it our opinion too.

 

LOL. I'm talking about the Gungnir bud - and specifically about its application as an HD800 DAC.

 

I actually rate the MJ as a fine amp for the HD800. I find it telling that people who dismiss the MJ as a good amp for the HD800 (particularly for the price) mention it in the same breath as the Gungnir. As if the two are inseparable. A lot of assumptions are made about the MJ IMO.

 

If you did mean the Gungnir - well, I'm hardly a lone voice in expressing this opinion. Again, this is specifically for the HD800. I know of many experienced HD800 owners who've come to the same conclusion.


Edited by olor1n - 3/27/14 at 11:40pm
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and olor1n is not alone in that opinion.
post #4935 of 6922
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

LOL. I'm talking about the Gungnir bud - and specifically about its application as an HD800 DAC.

 

I actually rate the MJ as a fine amp for the HD800. I find it telling that people who dismiss the MJ as a good amp for the HD800 (particularly for the price) mention it in the same breath as the Gungnir. As if the two are inseparable. A lot of assumptions are made about the MJ IMO.

 

If you did mean the Gungnir - well, I'm hardly a lone voice in expressing this opinion. Again, this is specifically for the HD800. I know of many experienced HD800 owners who've come to the same conclusion.

What DAC did/do you find when paired with the Mojo does the HD800 ample justice ? I ask since I currently own all 3 - the Gungnir, the Mojo and the 800.  Thanks.

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