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post #4756 of 7210

I have a Modi and Magni and think they sound amazing together with my HE-400 and DT770 Pro.  I just bought the Asgard 2 so I can use with both my headphones and Audioengine A5+ desktop speakers, which is not possible with the Magni.  So I guess I'll be using the Modi with the Asgard 2. 

 

Now I'm wondering about getting a Bifrost Uber to replace the Modi.  The Bifrost Uber with USB is $519, not inexpensive to me, so I'll stick with the Modi unless the Bifrost Uber is going to make a noticeable difference in overall sound quality...

post #4757 of 7210
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Originally Posted by Kon Peki View Post
 

I have a Modi and Magni and think they sound amazing together with my HE-400 and DT770 Pro.  I just bought the Asgard 2 so I can use with both my headphones and Audioengine A5+ desktop speakers, which is not possible with the Magni.  So I guess I'll be using the Modi with the Asgard 2. 

 

Now I'm wondering about getting a Bifrost Uber to replace the Modi.  The Bifrost Uber with USB is $519, not inexpensive to me, so I'll stick with the Modi unless the Bifrost Uber is going to make a noticeable difference in overall sound quality...

I suggest the 15 day try offered by Schiit, no better way than trying it in your system.

post #4758 of 7210
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Originally Posted by Kon Peki View Post
 

I have a Modi and Magni and think they sound amazing together with my HE-400 and DT770 Pro.  I just bought the Asgard 2 so I can use with both my headphones and Audioengine A5+ desktop speakers, which is not possible with the Magni.  So I guess I'll be using the Modi with the Asgard 2. 

 

Now I'm wondering about getting a Bifrost Uber to replace the Modi.  The Bifrost Uber with USB is $519, not inexpensive to me, so I'll stick with the Modi unless the Bifrost Uber is going to make a noticeable difference in overall sound quality...

Specwise the Uber has an SNR that is 7.5 dB better, so it's quieter. But does the Modi seem noisey to you? The distortion levels between both products are in the thousandths of a percent, that shouldn't register with a human being. The FR is flat for either product.

In any case, they got me for a Uber USB Bifrost. :D The newer USB Gen 2 of the Bifrost is very good and it has Optical and Coax SPDIF inputs. I need all the input capability.

So who's gonna do a proper ABX test and put up a review?

post #4759 of 7210
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Specwise the Uber has an SNR that is 7.5 dB better, so it's quieter. But does the Modi seem noisey to you? 

 

No, the Modi sounds amazing to me.  Just wondering what I'm missing is all :smile:.

post #4760 of 7210

I've had the Magni for just about a year, powering my Mad Dogs from the RCA outputs on my Squeezebox Classic. I love the sound that Magni and Mad Dogs make together, they seem built for each other. Now, I'm considering a DAC upgrade to see if I can get some improvement compared to the internal DAC on the Squeezebox. I'd love to try the Modi but it won't work w/the Squeezebox. So, I'm looking at the Bifrost which is 4x the cost of the Modi.

 

I'm wondering if the upgrade in sound quality will be worth the nearly $500 that the Bifrost will require and how well the Bifrost/Magni/Mad Dog setup works together.

 

Any feedback most appreciated!

post #4761 of 7210
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Originally Posted by ruleof72 View Post
 

I've had the Magni for just about a year, powering my Mad Dogs from the RCA outputs on my Squeezebox Classic. I love the sound that Magni and Mad Dogs make together, they seem built for each other. Now, I'm considering a DAC upgrade to see if I can get some improvement compared to the internal DAC on the Squeezebox. I'd love to try the Modi but it won't work w/the Squeezebox. So, I'm looking at the Bifrost which is 4x the cost of the Modi.

 

I'm wondering if the upgrade in sound quality will be worth the nearly $500 that the Bifrost will require and how well the Bifrost/Magni/Mad Dog setup works together.

 

Any feedback most appreciated!

I answered you partly on the topic Schiit Bifrost Uber Analog Upgrade.

post #4762 of 7210
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

With Vali? On the opposite end of the spectrum, I'm wondering how IEMs and highly efficient cans like a Porta Pro or PX 100-II would do on Vali myself. I know they don't work at all with the high gain of the Magni, but I also know the Vali is less powerful.

 

I was thinking much the same. I'm considering a setup to have at my desk at work. For this situation, the Modi+Vali combo is very tempting. However, my listening would be through a pair of Etymotic ER-4PT IEMs with the P-to-S adapter (so I really don't need a particularly powerful amp in this case). With the Etymotics, I'm wondering how well the Modi + Vali might work / sound as compared to the Magni + Vali combo. 

 

For that matter, my other thought is to use my existing FiiO E17 (which I do like)  with either the Magni or Vali, just so I wouldn't need to by yet another DAC.


Edited by mwillits - 3/6/14 at 1:04am
post #4763 of 7210
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post

What I'm going to take away from this for now is that, expectation bias is very interesting. My feeling is that the headphones are the limiting factor here, as we all know that Grado's don't require much for amping in the first place.

And most of all, I love my Schiit no matter what!

 

This definitely deserves a Round 2, so looking forward to if / when you try out some different headphones (and I'll toss in a request for some IEMs, if I may). Have you had anyone else take a listen with the initial setup? Perhaps that might help mitigate the expectation bias variable if they come into the test without knowing which amp is active. 

post #4764 of 7210

I just sent these questions to info@schiit but would also appreciate info from other Schiit users:

 

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 Here's my situation:
 
All my music is coming from a PC which has a Creative Sound Blaster Z card that has optical SPDIF out.
 
Currently I'm using your Modi via USB (bypassing the sound card altogether) with a Magni and just ordered an Asgard 2 from you as well.
 
Now I'm thinking of replacing the Modi with a Bifrost Uber, which I can configure in one of two ways:
 
1) Creative Sound Blaster Z optical SPDIF -> Bifrost Uber
 
2) PC USB -> Bifrost Uber USB gen 2 input
 
Option #2 costs me an extra $100 when I buy the Bifrost Uber.  Does it give me better sound?  I don't plan to use this DAC with anything other than this PC.
 
Thanks for any information
post #4765 of 7210
Thread Starter 

I tried all three digital inputs on my Bifrost Uber and can hear no difference between them.  Pick the most convenient connection for you and run with it.

post #4766 of 7210
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Originally Posted by Kon Peki View Post
 

I just sent these questions to info@schiit but would also appreciate info from other Schiit users:

 

 

Those are really good questions. I'm willing to bet (maybe a coffee and from my limited experience) that the PC USB --> Bifrost Uber Gen2 USB will be the better route of the two options. It seems more direct than going from the PC through the soundcard and then out to the Bifrost. I'm not sure how the soundcard might alter things in the chain as compared to straight out from USB. That be a good thing with which to experiment and report back. I'll be very interested to read what the folks at Schiit have to say. 

 

That said, from what I've read around the forums, the Gen2 USB really upped the game for Bifrost. I currently have the Bifrost Uber Gen2 USB and run it through USB exclusively to a Schiit Lyr. 

post #4767 of 7210

I find all inputs sound the same on my Uber.  I can't tell any difference.

post #4768 of 7210
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Originally Posted by mikiphile View Post
 

Hello good people of Head-fi, whats up? Since the Lyr threads seem to be quite inactive these days, I figured im gonna post here.

I have owned a Lyr for some time now, but I have never experienced such a thing before. Has anyone's Lyr ever "exploded"??

I just switched it on to listen to some music and after about 10 sec (no headphones plugged in), as I sat down next to it, I heard an explosion and the entire floor of the house went dark. Basically, my Lyr is on the left of my chair on a nice little table at an arms length from me. It took me 2-3 seconds to realize what had happened and I immediately pulled the plugs out, as I saw the white light dimming.

Ok, i am not exaggerating, it was not a "pop" or a "puff", it was a full blown exploding sound!

Now, after putting the circuit-breakers back up and explaining to everyone what had happened, I removed the tubes and sensed a burnt smell. My heart stopped. After putting them back (10 mins later) , I plugged it back in and it switched on... 30 mins later, im listening to music!! :basshead:?? 

Anyone has an idea what the helll just happened? I am thinking, could the circuit have been overloaded, or the built-in safety of the Lyr triggered? I cant think of any other rational explanation.. Also, could this destroy my headphones?

 

Honestly, to me, all that matters now is that my Lyr is fine, as well as my tubes.. :smile:

 

Well, if it really was your Lyr that "exploded", then I am really impressed that it's now somehow working again.

 

I am not surprised that your tubes are still working. Tubes don't "blow out" like other electronic components do. I would fully expect the rest of the device to burn to a crisp before the tubes would die. When I worked on tubes, we used to use high voltage charges from a huge capacitor to blow contamination off the ceramic isolators inside the tube envelope. That would make them run better. LOL.

 

What you're describing sounds like an electrical arc of some kind. They do sound like an explosion. The question to me is, what did it come from? You presume that it came from your Lyr. I'm not quite so sure. It could also have come from the electrical socket that the Lyr is plugged into. It might also come from the cord socket that plugs into your Lyr. If I were you, I would closely inspect both ends of your power cord, and that electrical socket. If you find black marks on any part of the cord or the socket, replace both.

 

Any sort of unexpected conductor that lands across an electric potential can cause an arc. It's difficult to speculate because so many different materials can be conductive under the right circumstances.

 

I would also suggest sending your Lyr to Schiit and have them inspect it. It's possible that something fell or blew into a vent opening and caused a temporary short circuit. Evidence of this would include odd looking black marks or streaks on the circuit board.

 

Bottom line, I would attempt to determine the source of the arc. You'll know it when you find a trace of black streaks somewhere, which is evidence of the "unexpected conductor" landing across a potential somewhere. The remnants of the explosion should get cleaned up, and anything that got damaged should be replaced.

post #4769 of 7210

Sounds like the high B+ voltage arced over. I used to have a custom made tube amp using much bigger tubes and one time the high voltage arc over inside the tube. It did sound like a bomb went off.

post #4770 of 7210
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Originally Posted by Kon Peki View Post
 

Now I'm wondering about getting a Bifrost Uber to replace the Modi.  The Bifrost Uber with USB is $519, not inexpensive to me, so I'll stick with the Modi unless the Bifrost Uber is going to make a noticeable difference in overall sound quality...

 

If you're patient - you might be able to score a real bargain when Bifrost owners start upgrading to the soon-to-be-released Yggdrasil.  
I'm predicting that a number of Bifrost DAC's will start appearing in the classified forum here when guys start buying the new hotness.  If that happens you should be able to score quite a bargain.  ;) 

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