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post #4351 of 12413
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Originally Posted by Neo-ST View Post
 

 

What?? :basshead:

I have Fidelio X1 (30ohm) and just ordered Magni&Modi, will it be too powerful for X1 then?


I don't think so. You just won't have to turn the volume knob as much.
 

I keep reading comments regarding powerful amplifiers used with "easy-to-drive" headphones. Is there something about this combination that is bad? I get that it seems like overkill when amps like the Lyr can push 6W into 32ohms but does it matter? The easy-to-drive headphones I use sound better to me with the Lyr, plus I have an amplifier that can be used with planar and high-impedance headphones if I choose to grab some later. I'm curious and trying to keep an open mind even if I think I know everything sometimes :wink:

post #4352 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 


I don't think so. You just won't have to turn the volume knob as much.
 

I keep reading comments regarding powerful amplifiers used with "easy-to-drive" headphones. Is there something about this combination that is bad? I get that it seems like overkill when amps like the Lyr can push 6W into 32ohms but does it matter? The easy-to-drive headphones I use sound better to me with the Lyr, plus I have an amplifier that can be used with planar and high-impedance headphones if I choose to grab some later. I'm curious and trying to keep an open mind even if I think I know everything sometimes :wink:

 

I actually think that it's the sensitivity that matters more, rather than the impedance. 

post #4353 of 12413
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My money is on the PC having a defect that is causing noise on its ground. a USB isolator can probably help with this, The best thing is to solve the problem at the core. It could be, the computer's  PSU, internal wiring, power cord or even your power strip, etc. It is possible that a ground loop is formed between the PC and your amp, with the Modi acting as one of the ground paths. If you have one, try a portable battery powered amp to check on this, Is your amp plugged into the same power strip / plug? This kind of stuff can drive you mad.

The pc is custom built and the parts art all pretty high end as far as the motherboard and psu. Unfortunately I only don't have a battery amp to test. I think I'll try a USB isolator see if I can resolve the issue that way. Thanks for all your input smily_headphones1.gif
post #4354 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 


I don't think so. You just won't have to turn the volume knob as much.
 

I keep reading comments regarding powerful amplifiers used with "easy-to-drive" headphones. Is there something about this combination that is bad? I get that it seems like overkill when amps like the Lyr can push 6W into 32ohms but does it matter? The easy-to-drive headphones I use sound better to me with the Lyr, plus I have an amplifier that can be used with planar and high-impedance headphones if I choose to grab some later. I'm curious and trying to keep an open mind even if I think I know everything sometimes :wink:

If the amount of power the amp can provide exceeds the peak power requirements or headroom of a headphone based upon its sensitivity there is nothing to be gained only money to be spent. 300 Ohm cans usually don't require 660mW that the Lyr provides either, they need more voltage swing to reach modest power levels than low impedance cans. The Asgard 2 provides more than enough juice at 300 Ohms for almost anything and at 1W can drive many Planars just fine. You planning on an HE-6? If so the Lyr is a great choice.

Now if you have a personal preference for the additional even order harmonic distortion (warm sound) that tube amps add, then that's another story. Again if you don't need 6W then a Lyr isn't an absolute either, but it is a good value proposition as typical with Schiit.

If one doesn't need the extra power, they might consider putting the cost difference into cans.

post #4355 of 12413
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

If the amount of power the amp can provide exceeds the peak power requirements or headroom of a headphone based upon its sensitivity there is nothing to be gained only money to be spent. 300 Ohm cans usually don't require 660mW that the Lyr provides either, they need more voltage swing to reach modest power levels than low impedance cans. The Asgard 2 provides more than enough juice at 300 Ohms for almost anything and at 1W can drive many Planars just fine. You planning on an HE-6? If so the Lyr is a great choice.

Now if you have a personal preference for the additional even order harmonic distortion (warm sound) that tube amps add, then that's another story. Again if you don't need 6W then a Lyr isn't an absolute either, but it is a good value proposition as typical with Schiit.

If one doesn't need the extra power, they might consider putting the cost difference into cans.

This makes sense to me, thank you for explaining. I will say that I really enjoy the warm sound from the Lyr, and I will read up on even order harmonic distortion, as you got my curiosity up.

 

I guess its worth spending more money on different cans rather than a slew of amplifiers and DACs. I really like Schiit as a company and the value of their products. I'm happy with the two stacks of Schiit I have so I will focus on trying different headphones. I'm looking forward to this chance when I go to a Head-Fi meet-up soon.

post #4356 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 

This makes sense to me, thank you for explaining. I will say that I really enjoy the warm sound from the Lyr, and I will read up on even order harmonic distortion, as you got my curiosity up.

 

I guess its worth spending more money on different cans rather than a slew of amplifiers and DACs. I really like Schiit as a company and the value of their products. I'm happy with the two stacks of Schiit I have so I will focus on trying different headphones. I'm looking forward to this chance when I go to a Head-Fi meet-up soon.

I think that once you have a decent electronics chain you will get more pleasure from cans and IEM's. You might want to listen to Planar Magnetics (Orthodynamic) cans, but hold onto your wallet.

Of the cans/IEMs I see listed in your signature, which do you like the best?

Philips Fidelio X1 | Ultrasone DJ1-Pro | Grado SR-60 | Sony MDR-10R | Sony XBA-1

post #4357 of 12413
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

I think that once you have a decent electronics chain you will get more pleasure from cans and IEM's. You might want to listen to Planar Magnetics (Orthodynamic) cans, but hold onto your wallet.
Of the cans/IEMs I see listed in your signature, which do you like the best?
Philips Fidelio X1 | Ultrasone DJ1-Pro | Grado SR-60 | Sony MDR-10R | Sony XBA-1
So far definitely the Philips X1s. I really enjoy the openess of the cans and the bass it produces when listening to EDM and Jazz. I would describe them as rich and dynamic. Great value IMO.
post #4358 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post


So far definitely the Philips X1s. I really enjoy the openess of the cans and the bass it produces when listening to EDM and Jazz. I would describe them as rich and dynamic. Great value IMO.

Looking at the list, somehow I knew you were going to say that. The X1's are a good set. I have a pair of XBA-3's that I use when commuting, a little too much treble but not peaky, good bass and they sound great but need a touch of amping because the impedance is a bit lower than most IEMs, How do you like your XBA's? 

post #4359 of 12413
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Looking at the list, somehow I knew you were going to say that. The X1's are a good set. I have a pair of XBA-3's that I use when commuting, a little too much treble but not peaky, good bass and they sound great but need a touch of amping because the impedance is a bit lower than most IEMs, How do you like your XBA's? 


I used to use my XBA's quite a bit, especially when I went overseas. They are good for the money but compared to the rest of my cans, they are decent. Bass doesn't have much extension but I think they have great clarity and the particular Sony sound signature that I've noticed with their headphones (less midrange). I've heard the XBA-3s were the preferred choice out of the series.

post #4360 of 12413
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Originally Posted by Neo-ST View Post
 

 

What?? :basshead:

I have Fidelio X1 (30ohm) and just ordered Magni&Modi, will it be too powerful for X1 then?

 

I think I just have sensitive ears.  I had someone else try my setup and they put the volume at ~ 11:00 or higher.

 

Magni is designed as an all-rounder to work with almost any headphone, I think you'll be fine.


Edited by CrunchyChick - 2/16/14 at 8:35pm
post #4361 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 


I used to use my XBA's quite a bit, especially when I went overseas. They are good for the money but compared to the rest of my cans, they are decent. Bass doesn't have much extension but I think they have great clarity and the particular Sony sound signature that I've noticed with their headphones (less midrange). I've heard the XBA-3s were the preferred choice out of the series.

Yeah, I originally got the XBA-4's and returned them and swapped for the XBA-3's. I don't know if you can still find the 3's but the price really dropped on them not so long ago, must be the newer models coming in.

Do you think the MDR-10R's really reach the rock bottom FR of bass? The X1's probably reach lower.

post #4362 of 12413
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Yeah, I originally got the XBA-4's and returned them and swapped for the XBA-3's. I don't know if you can still find the 3's but the price really dropped on them not so long ago, must be the newer models coming in.

Do you think the MDR-10R's really reach the rock bottom FR of bass? The X1's probably reach lower.


The X1s definitely reach lower than the MDR-10Rs, this is especially noticeable when I listen to dubstep. I found that the MDR-10R's bass is more... bloated with EDM, not nearly as controlled as the X1s. However, I find myself listening to Jazz on the MDR-10Rs more and I especially enjoyed listening to them with the Vali over the Lyr. It's something about the mid-bass that I like when listening to Jazz. Not bad at all for $99.

post #4363 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CJs06 View Post
 


The X1s definitely reach lower than the MDR-10Rs, this is especially noticeable when I listen to dubstep. I found that the MDR-10R's bass is more... bloated with EDM, not nearly as controlled as the X1s. However, I find myself listening to Jazz on the MDR-10Rs more and I especially enjoyed listening to them with the Vali over the Lyr. It's something about the mid-bass that I like when listening to Jazz. Not bad at all for $99.

I listen to a lot of Fusion and Contemporary Electric Jazz, not the atonal stuff where you start to wonder if the band members are aware that they are in the same room - lol. I think that I'd prefer the X1's for that. I tried the MDR-1Rs last year and returned them because although Sony stated that they went down to 4 Hz, their legal Dept. told them not to say how man dB down it would be at 4 Hz,

I picked up a Vali because at $100, I figured what have I got to lose. It ended up to be a pleasant surprise. I like they way they work with my HD600's and use it in my den when I work at home.

post #4364 of 12413
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I listen to a lot of Fusion and Contemporary Electric Jazz, not the atonal stuff where you start to wonder if the band members are aware that they are in the same room - lol. I think that I'd prefer the X1's for that. I tried the MDR-1Rs last year and returned them because although Sony stated that they went down to 4 Hz, their legal Dept. told them not to say how man dB down it would be at 4 Hz. I have an old pair of MDR-V900's that I got in 1998 and they really reach down low.

I picked up a Vali because at $100, I figured what have I got to lose. It ended up to be a pleasant surprise. I like they way they work with my HD600's and use it in my den when I work at home.

post #4365 of 12413
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Originally Posted by CrunchyChick View Post
 

 

I think I just have sensitive ears.  I had someone else try my setup and they put the volume at ~ 11:00 or higher.

 

Magni is designed as an all-rounder to work with almost any headphone, I think you'll be fine.

 

Heh same here. I have my HD600s plugged into the Vali and listen at around 8 o'clock. Any louder and it will start getting uncomfortable.

 

I think StanD mentioned a few pages back that he has his Vali at the 10 - 11 o'clock position. 

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