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Audiophilia is a very silly hobby, let your ears tell you everything regardless of what the dollar signs and product information tells you. 

 

I'm starting to think I might be a closet basshead which is a very scary premonition.

 

The Audio Technica M-50s are calling your name.  Either that or some Beats.  The Beats are all over Craigslist for <$200.  I'll bet half of them are fakes, though.

 

post #47 of 96
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The Audio Technica M-50s are calling your name.  Either that or some Beats.  The Beats are all over Craigslist for <$200.  I'll bet half of them are fakes, though.

 

 

Oh no, if I do it, it's gotta be ridiculously expensive remember? That way when I give audio advice like I do, people will have to take me seriously by underground head-fi rules...

 

How silly would I look giving some guy advice on HD-800 vs HE-500 when I've got M50's!

 

In terms of amps though, I don't think you need a whole lot, just use more voltage/gain and you're gtg. The HE-5LE is the monster that eats car batteries for breakfast

post #48 of 96

Sad to say... I was not happy with the Lyr / Bitfrost / HE-500 combo.  Enough that I am returning my Lyr / Bitfrost and putting the HE-500 for sale if I can't return it.

 

The sound just doesn't feel "full" enough.  It's a bit too airy for my tastes.

post #49 of 96
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Sad to say... I was not happy with the Lyr / Bitfrost / HE-500 combo.  Enough that I am returning my Lyr / Bitfrost and putting the HE-500 for sale if I can't return it.

 

The sound just doesn't feel "full" enough.  It's a bit too airy for my tastes.

 

Do you think the HE-400 might be more of what you're looking for in sound?  I suspect it might provide more of that fullness that you're looking for.

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I was quite happy with the HE-400 actually!  But all those problems made me hate it, and opt'd for the HE-500 deal.  Now I sort of regret it.

 

Funny thing is, the HE-500 is heavier than HE-400... yet it feels more comfortable to me.

post #51 of 96
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Sad to say... I was not happy with the Lyr / Bitfrost / HE-500 combo.  Enough that I am returning my Lyr / Bitfrost and putting the HE-500 for sale if I can't return it.

 

The sound just doesn't feel "full" enough.  It's a bit too airy for my tastes.

 

I thought that as well, it's just a full bodied sound you can HEAR but not feel. It's just better that way, the polar opposite to me is the Denon D5000, where everything is felt and it can be difficult to pick apart subtle things. Both sound good in their own right, thats why this hobby is taste and not a tale of absolutes my friend.

 

Nothing wrong with the Lyr though and the non-USB Bifrost is a fairly good piece of equipment for what it is.

 

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Do you think the HE-400 might be more of what you're looking for in sound?  I suspect it might provide more of that fullness that you're looking for.

 

Do elaborate, Master Wayne.

post #52 of 96
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Sad to say... I was not happy with the Lyr / Bitfrost / HE-500 combo.  Enough that I am returning my Lyr / Bitfrost and putting the HE-500 for sale if I can't return it.

 

The sound just doesn't feel "full" enough.  It's a bit too airy for my tastes.


interesting.   Personally, I love the combo; however, I can see why you might now like it if your searching for a "fuller" sound.  might want to try an NFB-10 or a burson

 

 

Rolling in some amperex or Valvo (red label) might help with a fuller/thicker sound.  The stock GE tubes had a thinner sound by comparison.  Switching up the DAC might help as well. 


Edited by mac336 - 5/5/12 at 9:53am
post #53 of 96
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Sad to say... I was not happy with the Lyr / Bitfrost / HE-500 combo.  Enough that I am returning my Lyr / Bitfrost and putting the HE-500 for sale if I can't return it.

 

The sound just doesn't feel "full" enough.  It's a bit too airy for my tastes.


I felt the same until I rolled in some different tubes (Siemens CCa (Thanks Mr Scary)). I wouldn't say the difference was dramatic but absolutely noticeable and definitely for the better.

Next thing I did was swap out some interconnects.

Last thing I've done is use my Meridian 565 as DAC and now, I'm very happy. I feel as though I've got good value for the money I've spent. Not gonna go searching for the next 5%, gonna sit back, enjoy what I've got and listen to some music satisfied with the setup. Right now I've got Bedouin Soundclash playing via flac and I'm grinning from earpiece to earpiece.

post #54 of 96
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Do elaborate, Master Wayne.

 

Just Wayne would be fine. biggrin.gif

 

Since I've never heard the HE-500s, I'm basing a bit off of my various readings.  While it does appear the the HE-5LE has a more analytic sound, the HE-500 appears to have changed a bit from what the 5LE offered.  Then, there's the HE-6, where some have just plain indicated it sound a bit bright if it's not carefully paired with the right power house, erm ... I mean amp.  Then, we have the HE-400s, which require less juice to run and many have claimed that the sound is more "fun".  A bit less analytic, and a bit more musical - while slightly higher in distortion than the HE-500.  Also, the various news sources have quoted the great Doctor of HifiMAN as exclaiming that the HE-500 has a more "polite" sound like the British B&W speakers.  Then, there's the HE-400s with a more American speaker sound along the lines of JBL speakers.

 

Granted, my quote from HifiMAN might be off a bit slightly, but that's the message they tried to convey.  To lay down the differences between the HE-5LE and the HE-400, which I own both, the HE-5LE is a wonderful headphone when I want to kick back in my chair and pick out some of the better details from slower music.  However, then there are times when I'll be listening to more involved music and the HE-400s seem best appropriate to pull out during those moments when I want to listen to some blues with more involvement from more instruments.

 

The two are like Yin-Yan.  While some who own the HE-400, might make the jump for the HE-5LE thinking it's an upgrade when really it's a different sound signature.  They might think with the 5LE, they're getting more of the HE-400 sound, but it's quite a different sound.  I'm assuming the same might be true between the HE-400 and HE-500, but possibly less so than between the HE-400 and HE-5LE.

 

Personally, I'm not disappointed with either model.  I'm also content with my Fostex, too.  If I've been listening to my HifiMAN headphones, then put on the Fostex for a bit, I never really think that I've just placed a crappy pair of headphones on because the sound was any less capable.  But, I have had  moments like that in the past.  After my time with the HifiMAN headphones and the modified Fostex, I received a pair of Brainwavz HM5s.  To me, the sound couldn't even compare to any of the three headphones that I own.  Some talk of headphone burn-in, but I had my doubts that the HM5 would get radically better with time and I didn't have the patience to wait for such a moment to occur, so I sold them within 24 hours of receiving them.  Be gone!


Edited by wje - 5/3/12 at 2:15pm
post #55 of 96

Every headphone from Hifiman that I own is different, noticeably and all are keepers.

post #56 of 96

Not to highjack this thread, but I also need an amp for the HE-500. So far I'm considering:

- Vioelectric V100 (with USB dac)

- Lake People G109-S

 

Any thoughts?

 

The amp will also be used with Denon D2000. My budget can't afford V200 at the moment.
 


Edited by Nosgis - 5/4/12 at 9:57am
post #57 of 96

The Auditor I have is amazing with them, the bass sounds like a subwoofer. But I did replace the opamps

post #58 of 96

My personal opinion is that the HE-400 had a warmer sound than the HE-500.  However, it wasn't a fair comparison since the source for the HE-400 was my HM-603 and I have the HE-500 hooked up via optical audio from my imac -> bit frost / lyr combo.  The HE-500 feels rather cold and not as full as any B&W speaker I know of.

 

Btw, my entire computer and audio system is B&W.

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Just Wayne would be fine. biggrin.gif

 

Since I've never heard the HE-500s, I'm basing a bit off of my various readings.  While it does appear the the HE-5LE has a more analytic sound, the HE-500 appears to have changed a bit from what the 5LE offered.  Then, there's the HE-6, where some have just plain indicated it sound a bit bright if it's not carefully paired with the right power house, erm ... I mean amp.  Then, we have the HE-400s, which require less juice to run and many have claimed that the sound is more "fun".  A bit less analytic, and a bit more musical - while slightly higher in distortion than the HE-500.  Also, the various news sources have quoted the great Doctor of HifiMAN as exclaiming that the HE-500 has a more "polite" sound like the British B&W speakers.  Then, there's the HE-400s with a more American speaker sound along the lines of JBL speakers.

 

post #59 of 96
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My personal opinion is that the HE-400 had a warmer sound than the HE-500.  However, it wasn't a fair comparison since the source for the HE-400 was my HM-603 and I have the HE-500 hooked up via optical audio from my imac -> bit frost / lyr combo.  The HE-500 feels rather cold and not as full as any B&W speaker I know of.

 

Btw, my entire computer and audio system is B&W.

HM-603 has the most warm DAC I have ever heard so the comparison was definitely not fair.

post #60 of 96
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Btw, my entire computer and audio system is B&W.

 

I'm running a pair of Monitor Audio RS6 (silver series) in my main music system with a subwoofer.  I guess, to a degree, the Monitor Audio signature would be a bit towards the British sound.  Though, I suspect, the RS6 might have a bit more aggressive upper-end, from what I understand.  Yet, I prefer it for the details I desire in music.  After going through 10 pair of various speakers, I can finally proclaim that the Monitor Audio is where I'm the happiest.  Now, maybe if I could step up ever so slightly to their Gold or even their "ahem" Platinum line, I suspect it would be pure love.

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