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post #1171 of 1183
Changed my order from Silver Complement to Prion, taking advantage of Black Friday discount. Hoping to have the cable before Christmas and looking forward to hearing it with my Utopia and (with adapters) with my HE1000 and LCD-4.
Edited by STR-1 - 11/28/16 at 10:30am
post #1172 of 1183
General question:

Is there an audible difference between the Litz Type 6 cables and these DHC nucleotide cables?
post #1173 of 1183
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Originally Posted by Cloudtastrophe View Post

General question:

Is there an audible difference between the Litz Type 6 cables and these DHC nucleotide cables?


I don't know I always get peters top end cables, whatever they are at the time. You just got to get down with the get down. 

post #1174 of 1183

You know, I'm having a real hard time justifying a cable that costs more than 1/3rd the price of a focal utopia and the cable isn't even their top of the line cable.  

post #1175 of 1183
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You know, I'm having a real hard time justifying a cable that costs more than 1/3rd the price of a focal utopia and the cable isn't even their top of the line cable.  

These TOTL cables are an extravagance.  The SQ may be improved but not to the extent of the cost, laws of diminishing returns applying. My most expensive cable is a DHC  that runs about an $800 cost, and it sounds and looks good, but I can't justify the price on sound improvement alone.  Kind of like someone telling me their $20,000 watch keeps significantly better time than one that is much less expensive. Then again, everyone has to determine their own level of pleasure in owning something of status.

post #1176 of 1183
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These TOTL cables are an extravagance.  The SQ may be improved but not to the extent of the cost, laws of diminishing returns applying. My most expensive cable is a DHC  that runs about an $800 cost, and it sounds and looks good, but I can't justify the price on sound improvement alone.  Kind of like someone telling me their $20,000 watch keeps significantly better time than one that is much less expensive. Then again, everyone has to determine their own level of pleasure in owning something of status.

Agreed.  My undergrad was in astrophysics, which involved more than a few courses in electromagnetism and electronics, and the scientist in me feels the uncomfortable limits of what you can do with cable material upgrades.  I definitely agree in sonic differences, but the cost to benefit ratio starts to hit hard at this level.  Don't get me wrong: aftermarket cables have a place to play in head fi, but I think I would rather, say, invest in 8 years of high quality unlimited streaming audio for the price I could spend on a 1,000$ cable.  Eight. Years.  Think about it.

 

A few hundred bucks I think I can muster, but music, or a set of new premium desktop monitors, or another pair of different headphones might be a different way to go with those funds.  And I say this being someone who likes to invest in this hobby because it brings me joy and I appreciate the improvements.  I just need to remind myself that the pursuit of excellence is sometimes skewed by confirmation bias.

 

 

Do I think DHC cables are great?  Totally.  My stock LCD cables failed after a few months of heavy use and DHC was there to provide a reasonable, quality alternative.  Them and other companies have provided quality service like this for many years to me.  

 

The race to the pinnacle is definitely causing me to question where to cut my losses though.

post #1177 of 1183
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Originally Posted by kingkikapu View Post
 

You know, I'm having a real hard time justifying a cable that costs more than 1/3rd the price of a focal utopia and the cable isn't even their top of the line cable.  


Oh totally agreed, and I'm one of those who loved a good cable or two, or three :D so I've spent way more on cables than many on their entire head-fi system...but even then I do think their Prion are way over-priced and cannot be reasonably justified. Can these be made cheaper? of course but then those Saddleback pouch does cost hundreds and there are guys who are willing to pay (and wait 6 months) for them, so who am I to judge?

That said, I do think that their silver Complement4 are great pair of cables, and rightly so. At around $850 (during BFS) it represents good value and about as high as I will go for an exotic aftermarket headphone cable.

Price gouging? I will leave it for you guys to decide for yourself. With all their order backlog, business must be good then?

post #1178 of 1183
There are tradeoffs for sure, dhc cable should be the last component to add and shouldn't sacrifice other areas of the hobby. I have one hp that applies and soon to be two iem, with the addition of k10 u encore. But i absolutely would get whatever the top end cable is. C4 is great, prion is awesome. Silver litz type4 occ 8 braid is supurb also the fusion copper silver is good. Chaparone 3 interconnects are beefy chucnks of sweat detail.
Now is it worth it. Well is it not worth it is the better question.
If I am getting a new flagship head phone to add to the stable one year, dhc is an automatic consideration. If the dollars don't add up, just don't bother, for me that includes the hp, but I'm a freak like that.
Edited by Whazzzup - 11/29/16 at 3:15am
post #1179 of 1183
Yes, it is an extravagance but I'm hoping that after getting the Prion, and the adapters I've ordered, I won't need to get another headphone cable. I'm set now with the headphones I have and from here on it should just be tweaking the system around the Chord DAVE.
post #1180 of 1183
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Originally Posted by Whazzzup View Post

There are tradeoffs for sure, dhc cable should be the last component to add and shouldn't sacrifice other areas of the hobby. I have one hp that applies and soon to be two iem, with the addition of k10 u encore. But i absolutely would get whatever the top end cable is. C4 is great, prion is awesome. Silver litz type4 occ 8 braid is supurb also the fusion copper silver is good. Chaparone 3 interconnects are beefy chucnks of sweat detail.
Now is it worth it. Well is it not worth it is the better question.
If I am getting a new flagship head phone to add to the stable one year, dhc is an automatic consideration. If the dollars don't add up, just don't bother, for me that includes the hp, but I'm a freak like that.


Hi Whazzzup, what cable you thinking of for the Kaiser Encore? I got them in universals too :)

post #1181 of 1183
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Originally Posted by Whazzzup View Post

There are tradeoffs for sure, dhc cable should be the last component to add and shouldn't sacrifice other areas of the hobby. I have one hp that applies and soon to be two iem, with the addition of k10 u encore. But i absolutely would get whatever the top end cable is. C4 is great, prion is awesome. Silver litz type4 occ 8 braid is supurb also the fusion copper silver is good. Chaparone 3 interconnects are beefy chucnks of sweat detail.
Now is it worth it. Well is it not worth it is the better question.
If I am getting a new flagship head phone to add to the stable one year, dhc is an automatic consideration. If the dollars don't add up, just don't bother, for me that includes the hp, but I'm a freak like that.


Hi Whazzzup, what cable you thinking of for the Kaiser Encore? I got them in universals too :)


well I'm getting DHC Symbiote SP V3 OCC Silver Type 4 Litz IEM Cable 8 braid 5 ft. I m into high end silver litz all the way now a days, prion 4 for hd800S, let the dac and amp do its thing, let the cable roll the current.  

post #1182 of 1183
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well I'm getting DHC Symbiote SP V3 OCC Silver Type 4 Litz IEM Cable 8 braid 5 ft. I m into high end silver litz all the way now a days, prion 4 for hd800S, let the dac and amp do its thing, let the cable roll the current.  


Wow, nice :) I put one of them into the basket over $800, LOL. Brilliant but unfortunately not a viable expense I can justify, I must admit, it was nice choosing all the options.

Do you find this type of cable too heavy and thick for a universal though? Like the 'heft' of the cable will move them or cause them to come out of your ears

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well I'm getting DHC Symbiote SP V3 OCC Silver Type 4 Litz IEM Cable 8 braid 5 ft. I m into high end silver litz all the way now a days, prion 4 for hd800S, let the dac and amp do its thing, let the cable roll the current.  


Wow, nice :) I put one of them into the basket over $800, LOL. Brilliant but unfortunately not a viable expense I can justify, I must admit, it was nice choosing all the options.

Do you find this type of cable too heavy and thick for a universal though? Like the 'heft' of the cable will move them or cause them to come out of your ears


yes it was 900$ but got black friday sale for 750 ish. concerning weight, no. I have the same except copper litz fusion now for my 846. Surprisingly soft, supple, and light. However it is a beast to look at, folks comment wow, thats a cable. 

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