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i did ask but answers are kind of vague, for me and dont Understand. can someone give me a layman term on a reply for each or much as possible? woukd help me out greatly
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i did ask but answers are kind of vague, for me and dont Understand. can someone give me a layman term on a reply for each or much as possible? woukd help me out greatly


Seriously, you should continue dialoging with Peter.  But I'll take a stab at lay, short answers:

 

1) Braids - "more is better" but what constitutes better is relative.  I bought an 8-wire cable for my CIEMs, and a 4-wire for my Alphas.  Wish I could have afforded to get both in 8-wire...but the 4-wire definitely doesn't suck.  The style of braid (square, round) is purely aesthetic.  Just whatever looks best to you.  No difference in performance.  One might lay better coming out of your ears and down your neck, back, etc.  There's probably no difference in "power requirements" to get the most out of different wire configurations, but Peter is the person to answer that question.

 

2) Mini-to-Mini interconnect - 1/8" male to 1/8" male jack, for connecting a portable source (like iPhone, DAP, etc) to a portable amp.  Can be used for connecting lots of other devices.  Not required for your headphone cables to work.  Just an add-on that's conveniently located on that page if you want to add one.    

 

3) Y-splitter - if your headphones accept the cable into both sides, instead of just one side, then the custom cable Peter makes will have a "y split" where the left channel joins the right channel as it leads to the end that plugs into your amp/iPhone/etc.  Peter offers you the option of having a carbon or metal splitter, or a piece of heat-shrink plastic, that protects the point where the left and right sides come together.  He now even offers precious metal versions.  Kinda cool.

 

4) Adapters - you are correct--these enable you to "adapt" the termination you have on your cable to fit to a different kind of receptacle.  Short of knowing all of your equipment and intended uses, it's hard to know what would be helpful to share.  Again, Peter can help you figure out whether you need or could use having some adapters.  

 

Hope that helped a little...Peter offers a fully customized wire so there are really a lot of options and variables to take into consideration.  And there's no one single absolute perfect combination--but many great combinations.  Took me forever to settle on my cable order with Peter, but he was helpful and I'm beyond pleased with everything he's made for me.  

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Thank you. He did reply often and did answer but his answers were, again, for me, was very vaiuge and didn't really answer my questions or got me more confused. Your answer helped me out a lot. Now I guess I gotta see how big of a difference it is with 4 and 8 with a TRRS end.... To bad can't demo these
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Thank you. He did reply often and did answer but his answers were, again, for me, was very vaiuge and didn't really answer my questions or got me more confused. Your answer helped me out a lot. Now I guess I gotta see how big of a difference it is with 4 and 8 with a TRRS end.... To bad can't demo these


I'm somewhat in the same boat as you. Pretty new to this stuff. Peter is really nice about replying, but he's super-busy so can't really hold hands with everybody who doesn't know the field.

 

Anyway, when I asked him what the difference in sound between 4 and 8 braid was, he said that 8 provided a little more "detail and authority." But that 4 was more comfortable, especially  in a mobile cable. As for me, I got a 6-braid, which I love, but there's definitely a lot more mass there than even a 4-braid. Pick what you like.

 

Same thing with the splitter. The cable has to have something at the junction of the "Y". I got the carbon capsid splitter because it looks cool, but if you're prioritising weight, go without.

 

Best of luck, and it's a long way down the rabbit hole....

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I'm somewhat in the same boat as you. Pretty new to this stuff. Peter is really nice about replying, but he's super-busy so can't really hold hands with everybody who doesn't know the field.

 

Anyway, when I asked him what the difference in sound between 4 and 8 braid was, he said that 8 provided a little more "detail and authority." But that 4 was more comfortable, especially  in a mobile cable. As for me, I got a 6-braid, which I love, but there's definitely a lot more mass there than even a 4-braid. Pick what you like.

 

Same thing with the splitter. The cable has to have something at the junction of the "Y". I got the carbon capsid splitter because it looks cool, but if you're prioritising weight, go without.

 

Best of luck, and it's a long way down the rabbit hole....

 

Thank you for encouragement....if i may ask, what cans or IEMs are you using and did you upgrade from stock?  What is your DAP and how much of a difference, to the best you can describe in words, were your previous cables with the 6 braid.

 

I'm also assuming I can still get the psuedo-Balanced from the ZX2 regardless of 4/6/8 braid, just 8 is the one that's recommended for balanced type connection (meaning you'll still get balanced regardless of which one you get, or in my case, psuedo balanced on zx2)

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Thank you for encouragement....if i may ask, what cans or IEMs are you using and did you upgrade from stock?  What is your DAP and how much of a difference, to the best you can describe in words, were your previous cables with the 6 braid.

 

I'm also assuming I can still get the psuedo-Balanced from the ZX2 regardless of 4/6/8 braid, just 8 is the one that's recommended for balanced type connection (meaning you'll still get balanced regardless of which one you get, or in my case, psuedo balanced on zx2)

 

I'm using Westone W60 IEMs. Even just listening on my iPhone, upgrading the cables to Peter's from stock immediately provided a better listening experience. The W60s are often said to feel slightly removed, or to have a little veil, and the cables I got from Peter immediately lifted the veil. 

 

At the same time I got an AK120II, which is also a subtle-but-significant (yeah, contradiction, sue me) improvement. The combination of the new cable and the AK is just terrific. 

 

When I first started listening to the AK/W60/DHC cable combination, I almost felt like the sound was too good. Like my nervous system wasn't equipped to handle the purity of the sound. It was kinda overwhelming. I've since gotten used to  it. :)

 

Can't comment on the balanced issue, since I'm not familiar with the ZX2. My cable is terminated in a balanced connection to get balanced signal straight out of the AK, but I also got an adapter from Peter that lets me use the cable with my computer or iPhone, which is nice when I need to but which I almost never do. 

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Thank you for encouragement....if i may ask, what cans or IEMs are you using and did you upgrade from stock?  What is your DAP and how much of a difference, to the best you can describe in words, were your previous cables with the 6 braid.

 

I'm also assuming I can still get the psuedo-Balanced from the ZX2 regardless of 4/6/8 braid, just 8 is the one that's recommended for balanced type connection (meaning you'll still get balanced regardless of which one you get, or in my case, psuedo balanced on zx2)


One last thing to consider is the portability.  If you're using your rig on the move, 4 or 6 works absolutely fine.  8 conductor cables are cool looking, but a little overkill for iems, and the variance in sq is miniscule, IMO.  BTW, I got the carbon Y splitter, and it's nice looking but kind of heavy for iems.  Also, I'm thinking about the ZX2 myself, and I'll probably stick with a 4 conductor, considering price vs sq improvement.  Again, just my 2 cents.  Good luck!

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One last thing to consider is the portability.  If you're using your rig on the move, 4 or 6 works absolutely fine.  8 conductor cables are cool looking, but a little overkill for iems, and the variance in sq is miniscule, IMO.  BTW, I got the carbon Y splitter, and it's nice looking but kind of heavy for iems.  Also, I'm thinking about the ZX2 myself, and I'll probably stick with a 4 conductor, considering price vs sq improvement.  Again, just my 2 cents.  Good luck!

 

Thank you for the advice!   are the 8 conductor cable thick as the fostex th-900 and similar cans?    i'm trying to imagine how heavy they are...

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