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post #91 of 594
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Originally Posted by googleli View Post

Note that there is a "+6DB" option for XLR output on the Esoteric K-01.

Before you mentioned about the modes on the K-01 googleli, I'd heard about them but never read or tried them out. After the post of yours about +6DB, I decided to try the 0DB and +6DB and to my ears the +6DB gives the SQ a little boost, sort of like a turbo. With Ians LL, his RCA interconnects were being used and my XLR's were used on my BHSE. At that time I don't know whether +6DB setting was on or 0DB but I never put the +6DB setting on because I didn't know about it until your post [ I've misplaced the K-01 manual ] . Because of that I've just tried the BHSE + K-01 with RCA's and XLR's on the +6DB setting and while I said that setting gives the SQ a boost, It's not like increasing the volume from 12 o'clock to say 2 o'clock. If a point needs to be proved, I think the best thing to do is for Ian to visit my place again along with his LL and try it out with both the RCA and XLR interconnects, and then do the same with my BHSE. But at the end of the day, doing this is not important to me because I'm immensely happy with the BHSE in every way.

                                      Dave.

 

P.S. From now on the +6DB setting when using my XLR interconnects will be used every time, so I'd like to thank you googleli for mentioning it. 

post #92 of 594
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

 Because of that I've just tried the BHSE + K-01 with RCA's and XLR's on the +6DB setting and while I said that setting gives the SQ a boost, It's not like increasing the volume from 12 o'clock to say 2 o'clock. 

I take it back what I wrote above because with the XLR setting at +6DB on my K-01, I've just listened to one CD on the double CD "Echoes The Best of Pink Floyd "which is one of my favourite albums. Two of my favourite songs on that CD are Comfortably Numb and High Hopes and with the setting +6DB I could only listen to them at 11 o'clock where as just after Ian left my place with his LL, I listened to those two songs and was able to go past 1 o'clock. What this means is, there is no way I could have had the setting on the K-01 using my XLR's at +6DB when Ian was at my place.


Edited by David1961 - 7/25/12 at 5:17am
post #93 of 594

David, isn’t that setting just a slight voltage increase. 

Personally I’d always use the amps volume on the proviso you are not running out of stick. Less resistance with the potentiometer...


Edited by johnwmclean - 7/25/12 at 5:23am
post #94 of 594
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean View Post

David, isn’t that setting just a slight voltage increase. 

Personally I’d always use the amps volume on the proviso you are not running out of stick. Less resistance with the potentiometer...

Hi johnwmclean,

You're probably right that using that setting might be putting more strain on the K-01, but since googleli mentioned about the different settings on the K-01, I'm like a child again at Chistmas. The point I was trying to prove is that I couldn't have been using that setting [ +6DB ] when Ian visited my place with his LL.

 

                   Dave.

 

P.S. While it's probably better to use the amps volume control, I don't think using this setting on the K-01 would harm it in any way. The K-01 is some piece of audio equipment.

post #95 of 594

For a true apples-to-apples comparison, you should really use the same type of input on both amps. There's more to balanced vs single ended than just output level.

post #96 of 594
This is probably useless post but if the +6dB is an extra gain stage, you're better off without it (else you like the additional coloration such as apparent better attack).

Also, I thought the professional standard for XLR standard was +4dBV (as opposed to -10dBu for unbalanced). This all goes down to the toilet because this equipment is for consumer audio?
Edited by arnaud - 7/25/12 at 7:01am
post #97 of 594
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Originally Posted by mwilson View Post

For a true apples-to-apples comparison, you should really use the same type of input on both amps. There's more to balanced vs single ended than just output level.

I agree. If Ian would like to visit my place again along with his LL and RCA interconnects, we can use my XLR's with his LL, and his RCA's with my BHSE but I'll be using the setting I was using when Ian visited my place, 0dB not +6dB. Using +6dB does make quite a difference to the SQ.

post #98 of 594

Bien sûr, toilettes pour les décibels

 

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[...] This all goes down to the toilet because this equipment is for consumer audio?
post #99 of 594

What you said, and then using the same balanced connection for both, even though it requires unplugging one amp and plugging the other one in.

 

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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

I agree. If Ian would like to visit my place again along with his LL and RCA interconnects, we can use my XLR's with his LL, and his RCA's with my BHSE but I'll be using the setting I was using when Ian visited my place, 0dB not +6dB. Using +6dB does make quite a difference to the SQ.

post #100 of 594
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Originally Posted by mwilson View Post

What you said, and then using the same balanced connection for both, even though it requires unplugging one amp and plugging the other one in.

 

If Ian decided to visit my place again with his LL and my XLR's were used, then both amp would have been used via those XLR's because they were used with my BHSE the first time Ian visited my place. The best way to test the two amps is to use RCA's on my BHSE and the XLR's on Ians LL and then vice- versa with the interconnects within a short space of time.

post #101 of 594

That would indeed be very helpful, and very nice of you to offer. So do we need to buy Ian some stout to motivate? biggrin.gif

post #102 of 594
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

If Ian decided to visit my place again with his LL and my XLR's were used, then both amp would have been used via those XLR's because they were used with my BHSE the first time Ian visited my place. The best way to test the two amps is to use RCA's on my BHSE and the XLR's on Ians LL and then vice- versa with the interconnects within a short space of time.

 

Some say that the sound quality will be adversely affected with both XLR and RCA connected, even though only one set of outputs can be selected from the K-01. 

post #103 of 594
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Originally Posted by googleli View Post

 

Some say that the sound quality will be adversely affected with both XLR and RCA connected, even though only one set of outputs can be selected from the K-01. 

This is why I'm wanting to test both Ians LL and my BHSE with both interconnects, I also know it's not possible to hear both amps at the exact same time via the K-01. I'm not trying to prove whether one amp is better than the other, I'm merely wanting the test to be fair. I've left Ian a message to which I'm sure he'll get back in touch.

 

                                           Dave.

 

P.S. While I was very happy with how the LL made both the 009's + 007's sound, imo, it doesn't even come close to the BHSE's looks and build quality, but as I say this is only IMO.

post #104 of 594
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Originally Posted by googleli View Post

 

Some say that the sound quality will be adversely affected with both XLR and RCA connected, even though only one set of outputs can be selected from the K-01. 

Sorry I misread your post, I didn't know if using both interconnects on the source at the same time would affect the SQ. I have read somewhere that the SQ using RCA & XLR interconnects only changes by the length of the cable. The RCA's from what I've read work at their optimum when using short cable, but the XLR's are not affected no matter how long the cable is. But I did read this quite along time ago so I may be mistaken.

post #105 of 594
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

If Ian decided to visit my place again with his LL and my XLR's were used, then both amp would have been used via those XLR's because they were used with my BHSE the first time Ian visited my place. The best way to test the two amps is to use RCA's on my BHSE and the XLR's on Ians LL and then vice- versa with the interconnects within a short space of time.

 

The best way to truly compare the amps is to use the loopout function on the BHSE and accept that interconnects make for a marginal difference.  redface.gif

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