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post #151 of 594
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

I've read enough of the pro reviews to know they're not my thing. Most of their reviews are super positive - how can everything be great...wouldn't it all just be average on average? They believe in things I think are ridiculous - pebbles attached to cords, different brands of RAM sounding better than others, tiny cups you hang on walls to transform the sound of your speaker rig, etc. I'm laughing as I type this. I also generally find that the more lengthy a review is on SQ, the worse it is. I like user reviews that are short and to the point: "bass goes deep, has a lot of impact, isn't particularly detailed", "upper mids are recessed", etc. Those are the people whose ears I can generally trust. The guys who go on and on about their travels to the Mojave desert in search of rare wood used in instruments whose resonance is ideal for the cups of a headphone driver get a quick scroll down from me. There are a few exceptions to this though, darthnut's lengthy reviews are quite good. This has nothing to do with the LL or WES or BHSE though. I haven't read a word of any of those reviews if that tells you anything. :p

 

 

I agree. Pro reviews suck. My eyes just start glazing as soon as there’s mention of a Mpingo discs, cable elevators or any other audio voodoo.

post #152 of 594
Simple fact is cavalli audio has put out a phenomenal product in the form of the LL and it has garnered consistent praise even from BHSE owners who own the two amps that it sounds better than the BhSE with the 009

Some people just can't seem to accept that and i keep seeing all sorts of 'explanations' as to why it is so including ridiculing the person's listening ability and even calling the 009 flawed tongue.gif
post #153 of 594

Calm down, bra. People are gonna believe what they want either way. Don't get too hostile. Alex is a good guy that makes a great product.

 

The whole hobby comes down to preference for the most part anyway...

 

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Originally Posted by sachu View Post

Simple fact is cavalli audio has put out a phenomenal product in the form of the LL and it has garnered consistent praise even from BHSE owners who own the two amps that it sounds better than the BhSE with the 009
Some people just can't seem to accept that and i keep seeing all sorts of 'explanations' as to why it is so including ridiculing the person's listening ability and even calling the 009 flawed tongue.gif
post #154 of 594
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Originally Posted by n3rdling View Post

I still can't believe so many people take professional reviews as gospel. Those are the worst of the worst.


Indeed and it's interesting to see just how much damage pro reviews have done to this hobby.  Somehow crap like the Nad 3020 is considered good because it was hyped to death back in the day.  Same as the LP12 over far superior decks. 

post #155 of 594

The  LL is a very nice sounding amp, but IMO it's not in the same league as the BHSE when it comes to looks and build quality. I have the BHSE to which I'm happy with in every way.

post #156 of 594

It seems that a consensus is developing, that the 009 is best with the LL, and the 007mk2 is best with the BHSE.

 

What about the WES, where is its sweet spot.

post #157 of 594

Why do people have to get this defensive of any one given product? Sachu goes on about Cavalli, David about his BHSE - can't we all agree that they are both great products? I don't recall any such furor when the praising review came out for the BHSE - no calls for measurements, no indicting of professional reviewers... until the LL happens to get some praise. Are people here THAT against the LL?

post #158 of 594
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Originally Posted by TheAttorney View Post

I'm not surprised that all 3 amps got an enthusiastic review in their own way. But I didn't expect the the LL to win in the "straight wire with gain" stakes. According to most headfier posts, that's meant to be the BHSE's strength - the very purpose of it's design. These continued topsy turvy findings, compared to perceived headfi wisdom, made me think... of what I'm not sure exactly, just made me think.

I hadn't realised that the LL has a Standby switch. This, I've suggested before, is a feature that the BHSE could really do with (not sure if the WES has one or not).

Both the LL and BHSE should be at next month's UK meet. I'm looking forward to doing my own comparison.

Hey Attorney:

Look forward to your impressions of all the amps at the UK meet.

Rumble
post #159 of 594
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Originally Posted by mwilson View Post

Why do people have to get this defensive of any one given product? Sachu goes on about Cavalli, David about his BHSE - can't we all agree that they are both great products? I don't recall any such furor when the praising review came out for the BHSE - no calls for measurements, no indicting of professional reviewers... until the LL happens to get some praise. Are people here THAT against the LL?

Yes...unfortunately. There's been quite a few issues across various boards concerning the BH crowd vs the Cavalli fans.

Most of it is just complete nonsense that is poisoning Alex's business.
post #160 of 594

it only seems that way, because Sachu spends every waking moment pushing for it

 

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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

It seems that a consensus is developing, that the 009 is best with the LL, and the 007mk2 is best with the BHSE.

 

What about the WES, where is its sweet spot.

post #161 of 594
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post

Soo exhuasting...am in no mood to get drawn kn on a back and forth even though i have valid rebuttals to n3rdlings post and the inaccurately meaning post of antedode. .
am going to leave it at those interested in the amps will listen and make their own judgements about what suits them best. Perhaps the la meet will be enlightening to many given all the gear on display meet conditions not withstanding.
Not that i could care any less just as well.

 

If this and subsequent posts is you not caring, my goodness.......

 

I am sure the 009 sounds excellent on the LL, BHSE, and maybe even the WES.  I have heard them on my KGSSHV, DIY HEV90, and the DIY T2 and they sound great on all of them.  My mood, among other things, usually dictates which one I use.  I might use the T2 all the time if it didn't get so hot (:

 

Bottom line, this is about personal preference, not which is best reviewed.

post #162 of 594
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Originally Posted by blubliss View Post

If this and subsequent posts is you not caring, my goodness.......

I am sure the 009 sounds excellent on the LL, BHSE, and maybe even the WES.  I have heard them on my KGSSHV, DIY HEV90, and the DIY T2 and they sound great on all of them.  My mood, among other things, usually dictates which one I use.  I might use the T2 all the time if it didn't get so hot (:

Bottom line, this is about personal preference, not which is best reviewed.

To be honest I felt AV Guide walked the preference line pretty well. It put the WES in the worst light IMO. But it certainly seemed like one would be happy with the BHSE or LL depending on personal preference.

For me...I know the Cavalli house sound quite well to know the LL is probably the amp for me...but man is the BHSE pretty. I personally think the blue units are gorgeous.

I don't think the LL is ugly either though. Eye of the beholder and all that.
post #163 of 594
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

For me...I know the Cavalli house sound quite well to know the LL is probably the amp for me...but man is the BHSE pretty. I personally think the blue units are gorgeous.

 

If Alex can maintain a house sound through dynamic amps into a stat amp he’s a magician as well tongue.gif

post #164 of 594
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post


To be honest I felt AV Guide walked the preference line pretty well.....

 

To be honest, that review, as has been said here before, got the tonality of what the BHSE sounds like exactly opposite of what I have heard when I heard one on several occasions in small quiet meets.  Hence, whatever that person says is rubbish to me.

 

The guy at 6Moons consistently touts headphone stuff that sounds terrible, shall we follow him.  There are many vocal people here who talk up amps and other stuff that sounds like a** to me, shall we follow them.  As I said, to me, nothing means nothing until you hear something in your own system no matter what anyone says.

post #165 of 594
He's a magician alright. He managed to repeatedly extract cash from my wallet.
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean View Post

If Alex can maintain a house sound through dynamic amps into a stat amp he’s a magician as well tongue.gif
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