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post #136 of 594
I'll take the LL over this design any day. Heck, even the LF, and you guys know I'm not quite the Cavalli fan when it comes to case design. As rumble said above, the LL more than makes up by way of its sound.

The LL isn't ugly per se. It's just that both the WES and BHSE are really pretty.
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No.. all you need is a little design elbow grease...


post #137 of 594

I think the BH is gorgeous, but the WES never struck me too much. I've never been a huge fan of tons of tiny (see also: plain) tubes. 

 

If I want tone of tubes I want some bottles and bulbs!

 

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I'll take the LL over this design any day. Heck, even the LF, and you guys know I'm not quite the Cavalli fan when it comes to case design. As rumble said above, the LL more than makes up by way of its sound.
The LL isn't ugly per se. It's just that both the WES and BHSE are really pretty.
post #138 of 594

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Really? I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pretty ugly IMO. I'd rather the $ be spent on sonics and not casing.

 

Not my taste really either biggrin.gif but a good example designing out side of a rectangular box nevertheless. 

At the LL price point I‘d consider both sound and casing important, but each to there own, I guess I’m not a big fan of sheet formed metal in a chassis either. 

post #139 of 594

i agree i was underwhelmed when i first saw the LL pics.

 

Having seen it in person, its a lot more attractive and solidly built. 

 

Not to mention its not a standard box, but rather fully custom with press fit stand offs mounted to the base, detail to proper venting, sleek..very sleek..packaging is well thought out, i really like the fitted cover with the logo imprinted on it. Very cool touch.

 

The amp is also CE certified i believe which costs money in itself and not exactly cheap. I am not aware if any of the other competing commercial amps can claim this.

 

The stax jacks are custom with protection for the user in mind as the pins are not flush like most other jacks.

 

The power supply and the inbuilt protection schemes are ingenious by the way. 

 

One also has to take into consideration the designers vision for their amp as its an extension of their design philosophy. 

post #140 of 594

I’ve made my comments subjectively from the pics, as you say Sachu, first hand experience must be completely different bigsmile_face.gif

post #141 of 594

believe me..i tried making suggestions to change the look after i saw the pre production that was unveiled at RMAF last year..but them italians are stubborn loli am going to get hell for that next weekend when i finally meet Alex :)

 

In any case the amp turned out quite decent IMHO. 


Edited by sachu - 8/10/12 at 9:11pm
post #142 of 594

It's nice to see the LL getting some good press.  I was one of the 1st to post about the LL after hearing it at RMAF last year, and I came away from RMAF wanting one for myself.  It was a great match with the SR-009, SR-007 and HE-60, and very powerful to boot (i.e. high volumes with good bass impact, without the sound breaking up or sounding strained).

post #143 of 594
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Looks like the final installment in the comparison between the WES, BHSE and LL is in

 

I'm not surprised that all 3 amps got an enthusiastic review in their own way. But I didn't expect the the LL to win in the "straight wire with gain" stakes. According to most headfier posts, that's meant to be the BHSE's strength - the very purpose of it's design. These continued topsy turvy findings, compared to perceived headfi wisdom, made me think... of what I'm not sure exactly, just made me think.

 

I hadn't realised that the LL has a Standby switch. This, I've suggested before, is a feature that the BHSE could really do with (not sure if the WES has one or not).

 

Both the LL and BHSE should be at next month's UK meet. I'm looking forward to doing my own comparison.


Edited by TheAttorney - 8/11/12 at 4:30am
post #144 of 594
Audio reviews seem like creative writing contests to me, but my ears will do my own reviewing at the LA show next weekend.
Edited by Draygonn - 8/11/12 at 3:21pm
post #145 of 594

Eager to hear your impressions. I know the LL is a good amp, but since no one is chomping at the bit to send me a BHSE I can't write a comparison of my own. The best I can do is hope for the same guys to bring their DIY BH to Austin again next March. :D

 

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I'm not surprised that all 3 amps got an enthusiastic review in their own way. But I didn't expect the the LL to win in the "straight wire with gain" stakes. According to most headfier posts, that's meant to be the BHSE's strength - the very purpose of it's design. These continued topsy turvy findings, compared to perceived headfi wisdom, made me think... of what I'm not sure exactly, just made me think.

 

I hadn't realised that the LL has a Standby switch. This, I've suggested before, is a feature that the BHSE could really do with (not sure if the WES has one or not).

 

Both the LL and BHSE should be at next month's UK meet. I'm looking forward to doing my own comparison.

post #146 of 594
I still can't believe so many people take professional reviews as gospel. Those are the worst of the worst.
post #147 of 594
And what if amateur reviews said the same thing...would you ridicule their words as well.

Wonder if this would have been the reaction if the reviewers wrote what people expect they would write themselves assuming a large majority of them hear similarly..cause we know the latter to be true.

The call for measurements too..show me real world measurements of any of the stat amps..I don't think I am aware of any.

And inner fidelity too is a professional review site or so iT appears to be. In the same vein people should be crazy to take their word on gear too.

Simple fact is people hear things differently and write them down the way they deem fit. Up to the reader to make a call if solely going off of reviews if the reviewer's listening impressions across gear plots against their own and try to draw conclusions. Of course listening to the gear themselves in their an rig is the ideal way to go about things assuming this is possible.
post #148 of 594
I've read enough of the pro reviews to know they're not my thing. Most of their reviews are super positive - how can everything be great...wouldn't it all just be average on average? They believe in things I think are ridiculous - pebbles attached to cords, different brands of RAM sounding better than others, tiny cups you hang on walls to transform the sound of your speaker rig, etc. I'm laughing as I type this. I also generally find that the more lengthy a review is on SQ, the worse it is. I like user reviews that are short and to the point: "bass goes deep, has a lot of impact, isn't particularly detailed", "upper mids are recessed", etc. Those are the people whose ears I can generally trust. The guys who go on and on about their travels to the Mojave desert in search of rare wood used in instruments whose resonance is ideal for the cups of a headphone driver get a quick scroll down from me. There are a few exceptions to this though, darthnut's lengthy reviews are quite good. This has nothing to do with the LL or WES or BHSE though. I haven't read a word of any of those reviews if that tells you anything. :p
post #149 of 594
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The call for measurements too..show me real world measurements of any of the stat amps..I don't think I am aware of any..

Stax:
Total harmonic distortion: 0.01%/1 KHz/100 V r.m.s. output SR-007 or SR-404 Signature, when using 1 unit
BH:
The amp can output 1500 V p-p measured stator to stator. At 800Vp-p, THD is less than 0.004% from 20Hz to 20kHz.
KGSS:
The amp can output 800Vp-p or 1200Vp-p with headroom. At 800Vp-p, THD is less than .008% from 20Hz to 20kHz.
GES:
Frequency response: 10 Hz - 80 KHz, -3dB / Signal / Noise: 100 dB / THD: <= 0.1%

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the call for real-world stat amp measurements, but there are some already out there.

If innerfidelity proceeded to measure stat amps it would be teh win regardless of their editorialization.
post #150 of 594
Soo exhuasting...am in no mood to get drawn kn on a back and forth even though i have valid rebuttals to n3rdlings post and the inaccurately meaning post of antedode. .

am going to leave it at those interested in the amps will listen and make their own judgements about what suits them best. Perhaps the la meet will be enlightening to many given all the gear on display meet conditions not withstanding.

Not that i could care any less just as well.
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