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post #151 of 1166

Thanks for the heads up techno kid.. Looking your signature ill say you have quite a nice collection.

 

Anyone knows if rockit sounds ships international and the cost?

post #152 of 1166
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Thanks, they do ship international and as far as I know its still free but I don't know how customs works in your country so you might have a fee (thats just crazy that a lot of countries out side the US have to pay a customs fee for such a small package). They ship from Hong Kong, mine got to me in Dallas TX in 4 days which is hella fast free or not.

post #153 of 1166
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The DBA-02 MK2 is in a different league from the BA200? No, hardly... they're just tuned in different ways from each other, but to each their own...

 

As for the R-50 being the 'best-tuned' TWFK, no one with extensive experience with all the TWFK-driven IEMs has actually done a comparison. It's all by memory and sonic memory is highly unreliable. For the record, all TWFK-delivered IEMs sound similar. It's just a matter of the acoustic damper, and whether there's a capacitor (and what value), resistor, or both, in the back.

 

What the R-50 seems to be, is a good deal. However, I'm still inclined to believe that the original DBA-02 and the CK10 are the best vibrationally-dampened TWFK-driven IEMs. It's more a matter of personal preference of whether the R-50 'sound signature', which seems to be less aggressive than that of the DBA-02, is 'better' or not.

 

It could be me or my ears... :)

 

To me DBA02mk2 produce fuller sound. What I mean by fuller sound is the sound object coming to me is felt like a solid sound rounded back.  BA200 while it produce  very nice midrange does not really sound full to me... Yes it sounds so liquid but it sounds 2D and and blur in comparison to the DBA02mk2. In my personal value, that shows a different class of rendering already.

 

let me give you another comparison, I don't know how old are you... (he, he... you can tell how old I am with my my reference to the speakers I mention...which back to 13-14 years ago) If you ever hear Tannoy Mercury M1 (the original M1) and Dynaudio Audience 40, you maybe will get what I mean... M1 sounds so liquid on voices like it will melt the heart of the listener... But Audience 40, while it sound colder and not as liquid, you cannot escape but admit that in overall it sounded in a class or two above the M1. Both were not perfect though. Ideally I want sound like Audience 40 but with M1 liquid voices... At the end of those days, I get Audience 40. But years later, I regret why didn't I get the M1 instead... as much as I admire Audience capabilities, the beautiful voice of M1 cannot escape from my mind. So I realized later that voice is also very important.

 

If there's DBA02mk with more liquid sounding voices like BA200 and better bass, than it would be perfect for me... So, I'm looking at whether R50 could be that one...

 

EDIT to add below:

The sin on the DBA02mk2 is the little prominent upper mid and lower treble section. Just coincidence, exactly the same sin on Audience 40 (which I later found it is caused by character of the Esotec variance tweeter used on this speaker).


Edited by dw1narso - 5/2/12 at 2:48am
post #154 of 1166
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Originally Posted by dw1narso View Post  It could be me or my ears... :)

 

It could be! I don't know which tips you used with the BA200, but regardless, the BA200 sounded more three-dimensional to me than the DBA-02 (I had the original) ever did. The DBA-02 is superior in details, transparency, and transient speed, but imaging is much superior on the BA200. Anyways, people hear things differently. You might just love the R-50; at that price, it's a good deal no matter which way you cut it. (I'm in my upper twenties, but I don't have experience with studio monitors)


Edited by tomscy2000 - 5/2/12 at 2:47am
post #155 of 1166
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Does the BA200 use a TWFK driver like the DBA-02 and R-50 or are they some other dual BA?

post #156 of 1166
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

It could be! I don't know which tips you used with the BA200, but regardless, the BA200 sounded more three-dimensional to me than the DBA-02 (I had the original) ever did. The DBA-02 is superior in details, transparency, and transient speed, but imaging is much superior on the BA200. Anyways, people hear things differently. You might just love the R-50; at that price, it's a good deal no matter which way you cut it. (I'm in my upper twenties, but I don't have experience with studio monitors)

 

I used the medium size tip on BA200 to get a good seal. The dual bi-flange lose in my ears.

 

Actually I never look for soundstage when listening to the phones, because I know that it is practically not possible with stereo materials which is intended for speakers. What I'm looking for is tonality and musical layering. So, maybe you are right... that the transparency that hit my head at that time...

 

If you get a chance, maybe you need to try the DBA02mk2. I recall I wasn't impressed by the original DBA02. When I auditioned the phones in Singapore, I came with my Sing friend. He was also un-impressed with the original DBA02. But this time around, he was impressed with the mk2. Maybe mood affect us.... :)

 

Too bad I already back to my country when I found out that lendmeyourears is also in Singapore and they have VSonic GR01 demo unit..., and in fact in the same building with Stereo, the store where I audition the BA200 and DBA02mk2.

post #157 of 1166
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A friend of mine should get his GR01's today so I'll have a chance to listen to them and see how they sound compared to the R-50, which I'm guessing from the reviews I've read and how I hear the R-50 that they'll sound a lot alike.

post #158 of 1166
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Originally Posted by dw1narso View Post

 

I used the medium size tip on BA200 to get a good seal. The dual bi-flange lose in my ears. Actually I never look for soundstage when listening to the phones, because I know that it is practically not possible with stereo materials which is intended for speakers. What I'm looking for is tonality and musical layering. So, maybe you are right... that the transparency that hit my head at that time...

 

If you get a chance, maybe you need to try the DBA02mk2. I recall I wasn't impressed by the original DBA02. When I auditioned the phones in Singapore, I came with my Sing friend. He was also un-impressed with the original DBA02. But this time around, he was impressed with the mk2. Maybe mood affect us.... :)

 

Fair enough. It's worth taking another listen to them using binaural recordings, though. Regarding the DBA-02 original and MK II, they're actually extremely similar --- emphasis on 'extremely'. In fact, I'd say the biggest difference is between the fit; the much smaller size of the MK II makes it much easier to achieve a deep fit. Deep fit is critical for the DBA-02, original or MK II, to sound good. In fact, that's why I say the R-50 is over-dampened; it looks to be the same shape as the original DBA-02 (and most likely comes out of the same OEM plant), but it probably uses a higher value filter for acoustic impedance to achieve the 'mellower' sound that people are saying it has, compared to the DBA-02. My gut instinct is that the GR01 is a better bet than the R-50. I don't want to blast the R-50 because it is very, very affordable, but given the track record that VSONIC has, and the extra filter work they put into the GR01, I'd say that the GR01 will most likely out-perform the R-50. Just penny for your thoughts. Keep in mind that I've heard neither the GR01 nor the R-50.

post #159 of 1166
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Fair enough. It's worth taking another listen to them using binaural recordings, though. Regarding the DBA-02 original and MK II, they're actually extremely similar --- emphasis on 'extremely'. In fact, I'd say the biggest difference is between the fit; the much smaller size of the MK II makes it much easier to achieve a deep fit. Deep fit is critical for the DBA-02, original or MK II, to sound good. In fact, that's why I say the R-50 is over-dampened; it looks to be the same shape as the original DBA-02 (and most likely comes out of the same OEM plant), but it probably uses a higher value filter for acoustic impedance to achieve the 'mellower' sound that people are saying it has, compared to the DBA-02. My gut instinct is that the GR01 is a better bet than the R-50. I don't want to blast the R-50 because it is very, very affordable, but given the track record that VSONIC has, and the extra filter work they put into the GR01, I'd say that the GR01 will most likely out-perform the R-50. Just penny for your thoughts. Keep in mind that I've heard neither the GR01 nor the R-50.

 

 

So you really can't say the GR01 is going to sound better because you haven't heard either of them so its all speculation on your part which is fine.  I've had the R-50 for over a week now and like I said before from reading the reviews of Joker and ClieOS the way they describe the GR01 is pretty much exactly the way I hear the R-50 and JupiterKnight who also has the R-50 agrees that they most likely sound about 98% the same (as he put it).  Just because the Rockit Sound has a warmer presentation doesn't mean its not just as detailed as the other TWFK IEM's because of the ones I've heard UE700, q-Jays and PS 200 they have just as much detail and imo opinion sound better than all 3 but the PS 200 is really nice though with its very wide soundstage still thinking about getting a pair some day.  I'll know after today when my buddy gets his GR01 just how the 2 stack up against each other.

post #160 of 1166

How is the bass compared to the q-jays? Am ready to pull the trigger but q-jays was a bit light on the bass for my tastings. I would be satisfied if it had 80% of the bass impact the gr07 have.

Joker's review about the gr01(which techno kid assumes are similar) doesnt suggest the have a lot more impact than any other TWFK iem.


Edited by Angelopsaro - 5/2/12 at 5:28am
post #161 of 1166
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From what I remember they have a bit more as far as impact and depth and they might be close to 80% of the GR07's bass when EQ'ed or amped .  Now when I use my FiiO E6 with them the bass starts to sound really good with nice punch better depth and an over all better texture.  Also if you just bump the bass up with your EQ on your pmp the bass sounds about as good as with an amp.  Personally I think the R-50 has some of the better bass among TWFK IEM's so if thats what your worried about I think they'll sound just fine for you.

post #162 of 1166
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Originally Posted by Techno Kid View Post  A friend of mine should get his GR01's today so I'll have a chance to listen to them and see how they sound compared to the R-50, which I'm guessing from the reviews I've read and how I hear the R-50 that they'll sound a lot alike.

 

Keep in mind that while I haven't heard either the R-50 or the GR01, I do have extensive knowledge of how the TWFK works, how filters work to change the sound of the TWFK, and how the length of the sound tube will affect the sound. I know how the peaks will change, what peaks will flatten out, and which ones won't. It's actually quite predictable.

 

I want to stress that I'm not putting down the R-50, but VSONIC did put a lot of extra work into the engineering of the sound tube and have a definite track record of putting out excellent products. RockItSounds, on the other hand, just doesn't seem to have the technical capability to do what VSONIC can do. VSONIC has been a long-time OEM manufacturer but is now building their own brand; RockItSounds is very similar to Brainwavz/MP4Nation --- they source from the OEMs.

 

I really hope you get a good listen to those GR01s, because Joker's reviews, while excellent, don't compare to listening for oneself. I'd also like to remind you not to quote so heavily from sonic memory. It doesn't do anyone any favors, and that's why I don't do it anymore without a heavy asterisk attached to the front.

post #163 of 1166
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Keep in mind that while I haven't heard either the R-50 or the GR01, I do have extensive knowledge of how the TWFK works, how filters work to change the sound of the TWFK, and how the length of the sound tube will affect the sound. I know how the peaks will change, what peaks will flatten out, and which ones won't. It's actually quite predictable.

 

I want to stress that I'm not putting down the R-50, but VSONIC did put a lot of extra work into the engineering of the sound tube and have a definite track record of putting out excellent products. RockItSounds, on the other hand, just doesn't seem to have the technical capability to do what VSONIC can do. VSONIC has been a long-time OEM manufacturer but is now building their own brand; RockItSounds is very similar to Brainwavz/MP4Nation --- they source from the OEMs.

 

I really hope you get a good listen to those GR01s, because Joker's reviews, while excellent, don't compare to listening for oneself. I'd also like to remind you not to quote so heavily from sonic memory. It doesn't do anyone any favors, and that's why I don't do it anymore without a heavy asterisk attached to the front.

 

 

I hear ya but just because Rockit Sounds is a newer company I still don't feel like they'll really be out preformed by the GR01 but in about 10 or 12 hours I'll know for sure.

 

On comparing from memory in the case of the q-Jays it hasn't been but maybe a month since listening to them so I feel pretty confident about the bass comparison to the R-50 but your right its not good the go strictly from memory if you haven't heard what ever IEM or headphone in a long time.

post #164 of 1166

Is their a thread dedicated too dual driver or TWFK comparisons? That'd be interesting.

I also found the BA200 vs DBA-02 MK2 comparison (i have both on the way). 

post #165 of 1166
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VSONIC did put a lot of extra work into the engineering of the sound tube and have a definite track record of putting out excellent products. RockItSounds, on the other hand, just doesn't seem to have the technical capability to do what VSONIC can do. 

 

 

If this is true UE700 should have been better than GR01 or similar. Its very unfair to judge a product based on company size or profile.

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