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Did your mechanic say everything was good in front of the seller? Maybe he decided that the "professional inspection" increased the price! rolleyes.gif

I'm thinking he doesn't have a bunch of buyers banging on his door. Offer him $37.5K - cash today. But, I'm also a notorious low-baller that doesn't often get my offers accepted... tongue.gif
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Last car I bought was a nissan pathfinder a few years ago...  I asked how much they wanted and they said $13,500....  I turned and tried to walk out the door.  Three attempts to leave and some haggling later I paid $8,500. I think leaving was a good idea, call him back and act like your doing him a favor with your counter offer.  This shows interest but not eagerness.

 

Most people expect to haggle.   Also don't underestimate the motivational potential of a huge wad of cash. If you start laying out cash a lot of people will get so excited they jump on it.  I agree with 37.5k,  If he hangs up on you raise it, if not he'll give you a counter offer. Just like buying a house.  Seller high-balls it hoping for a fool, and the buyer low balls it looking for a deal.  Eventually it ends up being fair.

 

I enjoy the haggling but some people don't.  The dude is a jerk for trying to raise the price once he saw your interest.  That was anal rententive of him.


Edited by cheapfi - 10/30/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Oh hell. I was looking through the local sales listings and saw a truly bad-ass ride. cool.gif
"1997 Acura NSX, LoveFab Stage-2 twin-turbo, var. boost 6-15psi (350-680bhp), ARK independent coilover adjustable suspension (with electronic ride-height adjustment), touch screen boost/fuel management display (DVD and USB interface), 328mm Brembo disk brakes, etc. etc." the whole car has been rebuilt and upgraded from the ground up. *drool*
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We were running it with the boost at 10psi and @7500RPM it makes 560bhp (~475whp).
The engine management system is slick too, there's a small gauge pod on the dash for boost, pressure, and temp, but the real trick is the touchscreen OBD interface (it's actually a console mounted 7" Galaxy Tab). It tells you everything that's going on in real time and you can make some changes directly from the tablet, for even more control you just connect a laptop. I have an older black Macbook that I could just leave in the car, it would be perfect for that. The Galaxy also provides the GPS and controls the A/V system, which is a single-disc Alpine DVD head connected to a CD changer. Quite a bit of thought and work has gone into it.

 

So you can adjust the coilovers via the galaxy tab? or the laptop hook up? That is pretty dang nifty, I didnt know there was such a thing as electronic adjustable coilovers! I don't doubt those numbers at all as far as power goes but did the current owner ever dyno it? see if he could dig up the dyno sheets if he did... I bet it could handle more than 10 psi and has a lot more power in it yet. Did the wheels brake lose when he put the pedal to the floor? All in all, it looks like a beautiful car.

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 I bet it could handle more than 10 psi and has a lot more power in it yet.

 

Only raise the boost if the bottom end has been sleeved and heavily built.  Stock Honda engines run a relatively high compression ratio already. Much more than 10 psi would be dancing with disaster. High boost + high compression = knock.   Knock + short amount of time =  blown motor and a large repair bill.  Drive it like it is... it already sounds amazing.

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Exactly. Lower the compression bigsmile_face.gif

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What a chump - seriously I can't stand people like that. I'd walk, just because I'd refuse to give them the satisfaction - he can play headgames with some other chump. angry_face.gif
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Sorry for chiming in all late fellas.  A buddy of mine had a silver '96 NSX back in the day that he similarly augmented (though I can't remember what he did to it exactly).  Principles of haggling aside, if you want it, don't let it slip away.  You already know what fun it is - why let an ******* on the other side of the table deprive you of that fun any longer?  smile.gif


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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Did your mechanic say everything was good in front of the seller? Maybe he decided that the "professional inspection" increased the price! rolleyes.gif
I'm thinking he doesn't have a bunch of buyers banging on his door. Offer him $37.5K - cash today. But, I'm also a notorious low-baller that doesn't often get my offers accepted... tongue.gif
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What a chump - seriously I can't stand people like that. I'd walk, just because I'd refuse to give them the satisfaction - he can play headgames with some other chump. angry_face.gif

Yeah, I was tempted to just walk away from it completely, but I really like it. I was going to call him back today, but he called me again this morning. Usually I'm a swell guy, until someone blatantly messes with me. I didn't need that specific car, I could have found an NSX carcass somewhere and planned my own build. I've done that sort of thing before. Since I was still annoyed, I asked him why he screwed with me, and he said "I was just thinking about how much I have in it and felt it was worth more than 43k", to which I replied "then you should have thought it out and asked $46k to begin with. Now I'm pissed off and not even sure that I still want it". (liar, liar, pants on fire) "Tell you what, I'll pay an even $40,000, in cash, and that's all. If you don't want that, then I'm sure one of the low-ballers that have been pestering you will pay more". "I can't take $40k, I..." I cut him off, "then good luck, maybe you can try ebay". Then I hung up.

20 minutes later he calls back. "How about 42?" He has big brassy ones. "I'm pretty busy", I said, "My offer on the table is 38, that's it. I have to get back to what I'm doing" (because reading the new Brandon Sanderson novel is serious business) "call me if..." He cuts in, "Okay, I'll do 40". I can tell he's upset, but I don't care. "You drive a hard bargain, but okay. I'll meet you at Pep Boys again". So the wife and I head down there in the 911 and he's waiting. "Nice Porsche..." I look, "What? Oh, yeah, my wife's car, anniversary gift." wink.gif I pull out the envelope with the money. "Got the title?" So, I go over it again, make sure it's okay, he signs over the title and I give him the cash. Done deal. He doesn't thank me, shake my hand, or anything. Just counts the money, gets into his friend's car, and leaves. Like I said before, ass. I won't do any business with him again. Sure is a sweet car, though.
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So you can adjust the coilovers via the galaxy tab? or the laptop hook up? That is pretty dang nifty, I didnt know there was such a thing as electronic adjustable coilovers! I don't doubt those numbers at all as far as power goes but did the current owner ever dyno it? see if he could dig up the dyno sheets if he did... I bet it could handle more than 10 psi and has a lot more power in it yet. Did the wheels brake lose when he put the pedal to the floor? All in all, it looks like a beautiful car.

No, no, can't adjust the suspension with the tablet, that's done via a 2-position rocker switch (road or track) or manually fine-tuned (get a wrench). It isn't a big chore, though. But I don't see myself doing that very much, the 2 settings are fine for me. However, fuel/air mix and boost can be set via the tablet, or with a 12 position knob. The turbo supplies up to 15.8psi (for roughly ~690bhp), and this Stage 2 spec, which is actually a Stg 2.5, can handle up to 750hp at the crank. It requires 92 octane gas, though. Also, it has traction control, with a new system and software, but yeah, if you turn that off with the boost set too high, you can get wheelspin in any gear. It's absolutely brutal. I've driven fast cars, including an 850whp Chevelle, but it wasn't quite like this. It's almost cartoon-like, 0-60 happens in 3.2 seconds (according to the computer), 100mph is 6.4. We took it to Richard's shop and he put it on the dyno, and at full boost it puts 588hp to the wheels. biggrin.gif The nice thing is, he didn't go for an obnoxious exhaust tune, it only gets loud when you're into it.
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Only raise the boost if the bottom end has been sleeved and heavily built.  Stock Honda engines run a relatively high compression ratio already. Much more than 10 psi would be dancing with disaster. High boost + high compression = knock.   Knock + short amount of time =  blown motor and a large repair bill.  Drive it like it is... it already sounds amazing.

It has, it's a real Stage 2, and the engine was completely stripped and rebuilt, with a stronger crank and sleeves, alu-alloy flywheel. It'll handle all the boost that turbo can put out.
Edited by Magick Man - 10/30/12 at 7:47pm
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Yeah, I was tempted to just walk away from it completely, but I really like it. I was going to call him back today, but he called me again this morning. Usually I'm a swell guy, until someone blatantly messes with me. I didn't need that specific car, I could have found an NSX carcass somewhere and planned my own build. I've done that sort of thing before. Since I was still annoyed, I asked him why he screwed with me, and he said "I was just thinking about how much I have in it and felt it was worth more than 43k", to which I replied "then you should have thought it out and asked $46k to begin with. Now I'm pissed off and not even sure that I still want it". (liar, liar, pants on fire) "Tell you what, I'll pay an even $40,000, in cash, and that's all. If you don't want that, then I'm sure one of the low-ballers that have been pestering you will pay more". "I can't take $40k, I..." I cut him off, "then good luck, maybe you can try ebay". Then I hung up.
20 minutes later he calls back. "How about 42?" He has big brassy ones. "I'm pretty busy", I said, "My offer on the table is 38, that's it. I have to get back to what I'm doing" (because reading the new Brandon Sanderson novel is serious business) "call me if..." He cuts in, "Okay, I'll do 40". I can tell he's upset, but I don't care. "You drive a hard bargain, but okay. I'll meet you at Pep Boys again". So the wife and I head down there in the 911 and he's waiting. "Nice Porsche..." I look, "What? Oh, yeah, my wife's car, anniversary gift." wink.gif I pull out the envelope with the money. "Got the title?" So, I go over it again, make sure it's okay, he signs over the title and I give him the cash. Done deal. He doesn't thank me, shake my hand, or anything. Just counts the money, gets into his friend's car, and leaves. Like I said before, ass. I won't do any business with him again. Sure is a sweet car, though.

Good grief. I'll give you this - you have more patience than 10 of me.
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Good grief. I'll give you this - you have more patience than 10 of me.

I'm good at that, with my wife I have to be. wink.gif
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OK - I know I mentioned earlier that you needed to branch out of your British car fetish - and now you've gone all the way around the world to a rice rocket...

How about heading South to the land of Oz - you were talking about a vacation - what could be a more perfect souvenir of the trip than Mad Max's panelvan??

http://australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle/164864-1977-hx-sandman-panelvan


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$40,000? Seriously? blink.gif

Pic from today when I picked up my tag.



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$40,000? Seriously? blink.gif

Yeah - and that's in AUD. According to google, that's US$41,556

I think it's an Aussie thing - I'm guessing we seppo probably wouldn't understand.
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Yeah - and that's in AUD. According to google, that's US$41,556
I think it's an Aussie thing - I'm guessing we seppo probably wouldn't understand.

Huh? Well, if all my ancestors were convicts, I'd probably have some ****ed up notions too. wink.gif


BTW, chatted with James May about cars for 10 minutes tonight. That's too damned cool for words.
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Huh? Well, if all my ancestors were convicts, I'd probably have some ****ed up notions too. wink.gif
BTW, chatted with James May about cars for 10 minutes tonight. That's too damned cool for words.

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