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I've always thought of the 250LM as a much better can than the GTO, personally, even in terms of beauty, and they can be had for under half the price of a GTO. They have the sort of clean looks that make attractiveness seem effortless, and they were fantastic race cars for the day.

 


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I've always thought of the 250LM as a much better can than the GTO, personally, even in terms of beauty, and they can be had for under half the price of a GTO. They have the sort of clean looks that make attractiveness seem effortless, and they were fantastic race cars for the day.

 


No question. The LM was from the ground up designed as a racer. The GTO was a modified chassis and suspension from   production vehicles. Still 14 meg for an LM, utter madness.

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Agreed, 100%, the LM is my favorite classic Ferrari (along with the TdF). Speaking of which, the TdF whips the GTO in feel, grip, stability, you name it. All around, it's a more balanced car at speed, though not nearly as powerful. There's a 10" difference in wheelbase length between them, which is not a small amount. Of all the classic Italians I've driven, the TdF seems the most surefooted.


I think classic Ferraris are priced about right, personally. Because they're very limited in quantity and there will never be enough to go around, even among the super rich. I also see it this way, would I rather have a typical Jackson Pollock painting (splatters on canvas) or a 250 LM? biggrin.gif
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Agreed, 100%, the LM is my favorite classic Ferrari (along with the TdF). Speaking of which, the TdF whips the GTO in feel, grip, stability, you name it. All around, it's a more balanced car at speed, though not nearly as powerful. There's a 10" difference in wheelbase length between them, which is not a small amount. Of all the classic Italians I've driven, the TdF seems the most surefooted.

I think classic Ferraris are priced about right, personally. Because they're very limited in quantity and there will never be enough to go around, even among the super rich. I also see it this way, would I rather have a typical Jackson Pollock painting (splatters on canvas) or a 250 LM? biggrin.gif


Aha didn't know you owned a laFrancais. That would explain the lukewarm GTO reception. What the track width difference?

They do have ground up LM kits available, ever considered one of them?

 

Depends which appreciates faster. No one collects Pollock because they like the aesthetics. Now if you were to compare that same Ferrari to it's equivalent in the art world Say a Rembrant, Monet or heaven forbid Pissaro's works.

 

If you'd collected Pissaro's work 10  years ago (let alone in the 70's) you'd not even be entertaining relica GTO marks I or II :)

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There's not much width difference. They're similar that way. 60s Ferraris outpaced fine art, in most respects, and as long as there are more billionaires than cars to go around, they'll keep soaring. I was too late for the cream of the crop; Cali SWB & LWB, GTO, LM (maybe), Testa Rossa, but the mid and lower tiers are just now cranking up.


Drove the 2015 Cayman GTS today, and I'm wondering what the NA 911s are for, now. It's clearly the better car. I'll be so bold as to say it's the best sports coupe under $100k. As a driving experience I'm struggling to think of a car that's better, at twice the price.
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There's not much width difference. They're similar that way. 60s Ferraris outpaced fine art, in most respects, and as long as there are more billionaires than cars to go around, they'll keep soaring. I was too late for the cream of the crop; Cali SWB & LWB, GTO, LM (maybe), Testa Rossa, but the mid and lower tiers are just now cranking up.

Drove the 2015 Cayman GTS today, and I'm wondering what the NA 911s are for, now. It's clearly the better car. I'll be so bold as to say it's the best sports coupe under $100k. As a driving experience I'm struggling to think of a car that's better, at twice the price.


Much as I hate to quote em. C&D regards the alligator as "911 performance for 10K less". The 911 is for people who want the legend status.

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The 911 says you made it, the Cayman says you're almost there but not quite. The 911 also has an "icon" premium. Silly in my book but that's how it works I guess. I personally never bought a car because of legend or something, just how they drive.
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Drove the 2015 Cayman GTS today, and I'm wondering what the NA 911s are for, now. It's clearly the better car. I'll be so bold as to say it's the best sports coupe under $100k. As a driving experience I'm struggling to think of a car that's better, at twice the price.

4C?

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Umm, no. The 4C is mostly a toy, in comparison.
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The 911 says you made it, the Cayman says you're almost there but not quite. The 911 also has an "icon" premium. Silly in my book but that's how it works I guess. I personally never bought a car because of legend or something, just how they drive.

Yeah, I get the prestige angle, and the interior is more fancy, but one would have to be a very poor driver to not notice that the Cayman GTS is the better car, if you ignore the aesthetics. I'm curious to see Porsche's new sub-halo $500k car, the 918 w/o electric motors with a TT V8, making ~750bhp, that they're debuting soon. That's the one I really want.
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Yeah, I get the prestige angle, and the interior is more fancy, but one would have to be a very poor driver to not notice that the Cayman GTS is the better car, if you ignore the aesthetics. I'm curious to see Porsche's new sub-halo $500k car, the 918 w/o electric motors with a TT V8, making ~750bhp, that they're debuting soon. That's the one I really want.


I'd hold out and see if they offer an RS version of the 918 for the street.

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One thing that's funny, if they're all sold (918), why do they keep trying badgering me to buy one?
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One thing that's funny, if they're all sold (918), why do they keep trying badgering me to buy one?


Queuing up for the second production run?

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Geez, as if I'm not busy enough, I received a letter stating I have to appear for jury duty.
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Geez, as if I'm not busy enough, I received a letter stating I have to appear for jury duty.


Luck of the draw, I guess. When is it?

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