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Still talking with them about the Daytona spyder, but not sure if we can reach a deal. They wanted $1.6M for it, and even though mechanically it's mostly original it's been heavily restored, rotisserie nut & bolt style, and of course that hurts the value. Trying to explain that to the seller is like talking to a brick wall. He doesn't, or won't, understand that simply because it looks like it did when it left the factory doesn't mean you can get a factory-fresh price for it. Also at some point someone upgraded the suspension, enlarged the engine (adding ~ another 40hp), and replaced one head and all the valves (he didn't come out and disclose that work either, but it's in the car's receipts). I made a realistic offer based on historical averages and the real condition, and of course he thinks I'm out to screw him. I (we) work really hard to be fair and I have a whole cabinet of references now attesting to that, whereas this clown has never sold a car like this in his life and is acting kind of weasel-like... and the dealer is doing their best to muddy the waters further.


PS. I sound like I'm annoyed but I actually enjoy this stuff, I love drawn out haggling and acting irritated. It's a bit of theater. Research and acquisition is half the fun of car collecting.
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White wouldn't be my color choice, but this sure looks like fun. biggrin.gif

I love that caption, "Racing will void your warranty". So using a built-in factory feature voids your warranty! That's hilarious! biggrin.gif
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@Magick Man: What headlights does the daytona have, you said it's a '70 so it has the covered lights? I've never really been a fan of that model, but if I had my pick I'd take one of the early ones with the covered lights.

The Mustang caption is the same as the Nissan GTR's launch control, they said using the included launch control would void the tranny warranty but I know there was a big upoar over that. Did Nissan ever back track on that? Top Gear still seems to use it lol.
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I never really "got" the hype over the Daytona as far as Ferraris go, but I can certainly appreciate how different it was from a traditional Ferrari when they launched it. Along with the Miura, that time must've been an interesting era to be watching the supercar industry in before it nearly collapsed during the oil crises.

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The beauty of them is in their clean lines, they're gorgeous in profile.


The car I'm looking at, from their digital catalog:


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@Magick Man: What headlights does the daytona have, you said it's a '70 so it has the covered lights? I've never really been a fan of that model, but if I had my pick I'd take one of the early ones with the covered lights.

they're pop-up lamps.
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The beauty of them is in their clean lines, they're gorgeous in profile.


The car I'm looking at, from their digital catalog:


they're pop-up lamps.


Fond memories of Hearing Eppie Wietzes  coupe on his way to work all the way down Yonge St wound out in second gear to keep the plugs from fouling. Last of the great front engine 12's

 

I think this guy said it best.

 

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Nope, just human nature. Plenty of bankers tend to be similar to the personality mentioned above while there are bankers who party, socialize and generally have a good time. As an example, we have a bar at the ground floor of our banks building,some go for a drink after work while others just keep working. Believe me, institutionalised bankers will be very hard to breed :-P

Seriously, maybe they see beauty in all those numbers and shapes and being able to manipulate them gives them a feeling of control over nature. Diracs equation would be a good fit here.
I at times lose myself in the beauty of numbers and shapes but reality keeps dragging me back. I try to read advanced physics, without much success.

My 2 Australian cents.

That's where bankers get it wrong. You can be drinking at the bar AND Trudging through dirac's equation (and all the nasty ket vector/ operator algebra that goes with it) while sitting at the bar enjoying a nice drink, going back and forth between arguing mathematics with your friend next to you and talking about cool cars. That's the physics life.

The downside is unlike investment bankers you won't make billions. 2 of 3 is easy. All 3, wealth, stimulating work, and a social life; that's hard


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I love that album Hutnicks smily_headphones1.gif
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In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.
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In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.

Post us some audio porn! :biggrin: 

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Post us some audio porn! biggrin.gif  

It is the same car as in this video.

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I love that album Hutnicks smily_headphones1.gif

 

Me too. I love it when I get a chance to rediscover it.

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In other stuff, the 250 GTO is unfortunately a case of being better off not meeting your heroes, unlike the 288 GTO, which is a mouth-foaming madman. It's fun, and capable compared to its contemporaries, but it's not hard to come away thinking that it's quite overrated and its looks write checks that its chassis can't cash, even after adjustments and stickier tires. Sure, it's a recreation, but it was side-by-side duplicated from an original and has a great many original parts in its construction. I blame weight distribution, and that's a hard thing to change. My expectations were too high, it's my fault and I realize that. I'll get back into driving other same-period cars soon and then re-visit it, I'm sure my impressions will change. One thing that's not somewhat disappointing is the sound... Jeeeezus, does it sound good.

How far off can the weight distribution be?

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Don't get me wrong, it drives well for a car its age, but it runs into the same issues as other cars that are 50 years old. Hearing some talk you'd think it was pure adrenaline and sex, but it isn't. It's an above average classic sports car; uncomfortable, hot, too little suspension, too small brakes, and really too light in the rear to hold traction. It's like... this is sacrilege, it's like an early 70s muscle car, with better sound and sweeter lines. Maybe I'm polluted by RMR layouts, but I've yet to find an original FE car from, say, before 1968 that gives me much confidence at speed, it's the same problem I have with old `vettes (the `57 I got notwithstanding, it's a C6 Z06 with a C1 body). The people that drove cars such as these at speeds over 150MPH had balls of steel.


Went with my detail guy to go look at cars locally, he needed some buying advice and I wanted to see what the lot had (it's like the biggest one within 200 miles). The place is massive, so big in fact that the salesmen take the customers around the lot in golf carts, with ice chests in the back, filled with sodas (beer is on the very bottom). He wanted a sports car and had a budget of $15k-ish, which is the most he could spend in cash and I told him if he got a loan from those vampires I'd pull his toenails out with pliers. They advertise 9.9% APR like it's a blessing. rolleyes.gif Anyway, after a while we narrowed it down to 3 cars; a 2010 RX-8, an `09 Pontiac Solstice GXP, and an `04 Boxster. I'm not kidding, we found G2 Boxster (silver) for sub-15 grand, and it was clean and unmolested, too. The first 2 were okay, the Solstice was quicker than I thought it would be and was a better deal than the Mazda, but they were both eclipsed by the Boxster. We both drove it and I have to say I'm stunned over how much car it was for the money, it wasn't the S, and it didn't have a lot of options, except for the steering wheel controls, TC/ESC, and leather interior, but it outperformed the others by an order of magnitude.

So then we sat with the salesman and the guy was so excited he was ready to hand over all his money, kids. rolleyes.gif "What are you doing?" "It's $15,500, and it's already on sale." (How cute.) "Oh really?" I showed him how we do it in the front office. biggrin.gif By the time we were done, the salesman was sweating and pale, and the sales manager was swearing and reaching for his heart medication. Well, it's the kid's money and he worked hard for it, he'd need some left over for a second set of wheels and track tires, new brakes, plus tune it up some. We got it for $12,700 OTD, he was pretty happy, but I don't think they want to see me come back, ever. They didn't even detail it (my guy would do a better job) or try to pitch the aftermarket warranty. He mentioned something about it and I stared at him.
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