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The NPO exists to serve and benefit the cars, not the other way around. If I buy a car for the main collection, then it's most likely going to be a part of it from now on, and the majority have antique plates anyway (they're 25 years of age or older), which limit the amount of miles I can drive them in a year on public roads. Insurance for a car registered to an NPO as an antique is very low, compared to traditional policies, also there are the tremendous tax benefits for nearly everything associated with them, as part of the official collection. They don't create revenue, but they do suck a lot of it down. The garage does some public work to help defray the costs, but I have no illusions that the NPO will ever be self-sustaining. That's okay though, because it's still a lot less of a resource hog than owning them all outright, and the main mission is preserving these automotive icons.

The ones I personally own are my daily/frequent drivers, and they stay in my home garage(s), along with my wife's cars (incl. her micros), and house staff vehicles. It's best to keep them separate to avoid any... misunderstandings.

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I thought as a Ford guy growing up you'd prefer a Cobra 289. wink.gif  

Well, it's a Cheetah GT (which is basically a Corvette) with a Miura kit on it, so a SB Chevy seems appropriate to me and probably would be the most painless way to go and should essentially bolt right up, in theory. Mostly I want to get the power output similar to what an SV actually had, @385bhp, and that's relatively easy to do with a NA 327.

Since I'll never have a real 250GTO, the idea of spending 50M+ on any car seems nutty to me. I think we're on track with a deal for that recreation, I talked at length with an expert on that era of Ferraris who is really familiar with it and even helped consult on its construction, and he said that aside from the original serial plate and some non-visible structural and mechanical improvements (which were commonly done to many real GTOs) it's "indistinguishable from the real deal" and "offers a driving experience equal to an original". I'm going to go with what he says, since he's like, the guy who the big wigs get to authenticate and sort their cars. My minion is going up there to close things up, so I'll see how that goes.
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Ok got it. I had thought that the collection might be tiered as to investment vehicles with historical significance and what I would call current collectables which are bought and sold (like the Porsche you don't want to sell:)) to finance part of the prime vehicle acquisitions and maintenance.

 

Good luck with the GTO. That just about falls into the "must have" category. It will not be long before originals escalate into the too valuable to see the outside world category and find themselves permanently parked in museums.

 

Always been iffy on the Cheetah for some reason. It would be interesting to see what you can do with it though.

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I think the 250 GTO is a good buy. Much better than a wannabe repro with a fiberglass shell and a small block V8.

OTOH, I'm only luke warm on the Cheetah. A repro from the late 80s doesn't seem like it would be worth shipping across the pond. But, that's just me...
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I shot them a low offer for the Cheetah come Miura, to cover shipping and duties. Since the US sees it as a `65, it's a lot easier to manage. I've read a little about these conversions and they can be pretty damned good, setup properly. One reason I want it is to make a copy of mine, then I can drive that one without worrying about mileage, damage, etc.. The one unfortunate thing about old (pre-Countach) Lamborghinis is that they're extraordinarily delicate, accidentally hit a pothole or a small critter and you've broken something.

The minion is on the ground and on-site with the GTO dealer now, unfortunately they have another car that's caught our eye too...




http://www.automotiverestorations.com/sales/home/1969-ferrari-365-gtc-coupe

The seller, it's a consignment, is motivated and has it up for <60% what he'd likely see at auction, if he can get action on it right now. Hey, it's bundle time, maybe! "What do you want to do?" "Work it out, be creative. I don't want to have to go up there, it's cold." "Roger, roger."

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If you took the Ferrari badges off, and the prancing horse off the grille and steering wheel, I bet a lot of people would have no idea what that car was....although I suspect hearing it run might give them a clue.

 

I really like that....it's got style, and that deeper shade of red looks much nicer to me than the traditional Ferrari red.


Edited by Achmedisdead - 3/27/14 at 9:50am
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I shot them a low offer for the Cheetah come Miura, to cover shipping and duties. Since the US sees it as a `65, it's a lot easier to manage. I've read a little about these conversions and they can be pretty damned good, setup properly. One reason I want it is to make a copy of mine, then I can drive that one without worrying about mileage, damage, etc.. The one unfortunate thing about old (pre-Countach) Lamborghinis is that they're extraordinarily delicate, accidentally hit a pothole or a small critter and you've broken something.

The minion is on the ground and on-site with the GTO dealer now, unfortunately they have another car that's caught our eye too...




http://www.automotiverestorations.com/sales/home/1969-ferrari-365-gtc-coupe

The seller, it's a consignment, is motivated and has it up for <60% what he'd likely see at auction, if he can get action on it right now. Hey, it's bundle time, maybe! "What do you want to do?" "Work it out, be creative. I don't want to have to go up there, it's cold." "Roger, roger."


Oh to have your problems:)

 

The 365 is pretty much a must have. It influenced so many other cars styles for years to come. If you can score that and the NeoGTO I'd say it's Bollinger time.

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If you took the Ferrari badges off, and the prancing horse off the grille and steering wheel, I bet a lot of people would have no idea what that car was....although I suspect hearing it run might give them a clue.

 

I really like that....it's got style, and that deeper shade of red looks much nicer to me than the traditional Ferrari red.


You make a very good point; I'd guess that if you painted it in BRG and went to a local cruise-in, a number of people would assume it was a large MG or a strange Jaguar. Until you get to the taillights, that is, which are unmistakably Ferrari.

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While I was in Dallas, I pulled-up next to a Nissan GT-R at a stop light. I know there are folks that love the GT-R, but I just don't see the appeal. I think it looks better in pictures than on thee street. The hard lines on the body details just don't like natural to me - they don't "flow" like the great designs do. I also forget how big it is - it's one of the few exotics that is bigger than I imagined.
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While I was in Dallas, I pulled-up next to a Nissan GT-R at a stop light. I know there are folks that love the GT-R, but I just don't see the appeal. I think it looks better in pictures than on thee street. The hard lines on the body details just don't like natural to me - they don't "flow" like the great designs do. I also forget how big it is - it's one of the few exotics that is bigger than I imagined.

 



I have seen several of them and yeah they are big. As to the looks.... it's a Japanese car, they don't do "flow" very often lol.
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By the way, you gotta love the giant wood steering wheel on that Fezza 365. smily_headphones1.gif
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It's all about the big wooden steering wheel. biggrin.gif (and the smell of the vintage Italian leather)

A question I get a lot of times, "why don't you own a new GT-R, they so fast!"

1. unless you're drag racing, they aren't as fast as you've been led to believe
2. they're boring to drive
3. no soul to be found

Something went horribly wrong in the transition from R34 to the R35, and it comes down to too many computers and driver aids.
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WTF is it with these small Euro car companies?

Pagani: "We are letting you know that we are able to upgrade your slower manual gearbox for a new automated paddle system for a minimal charge. We are sure you will be happy with the improved performance."

Me: "No. Do not replace the manual gearbox, I do not want to exchange it for a newer unit. I want the original in the car."

Pagani: "I have talked with our service director and he said we can do the upgrade for no additional charge. I am sure you will be happy with the improvement." (Koenigsegg did that too.)

Me: "NO! Do NOT exchange gearboxes. LEAVE THE ORIGINAL WITH THE CAR, I do not want an automated transmission in that car!"

[unbelieveable...]

Pagani: "Sir, this is a free upgrade, surely that is preferable to the way it is now. We cannot continue with the performance improvements you want unless we upgrade the gearbox and differential. So it is necessary."

Me: "No, do not replace the gearbox, if that means you cannot perform the upgrades then that is fine. Leave the original in the car. If this will be a problem we will personally go to the factory to discuss the matter."

*one day goes by*

Pagani: "Good news, sir. Our engineers say they can use the existing gearbox with only minor changes, so we can proceed with the engine upgrades."

[that's what I thought...]

See, my theory is that they no longer have any of the AMG single-clutch manual transmissions, they aren't being built anymore due to regulations, but they have other customers who want them and are willing to pay a fortune. So they'll do almost anything to lay their hands on one. Sneaky buggers. mad.gif
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"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black."
Henry Ford
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WTF is it with these small Euro car companies?

Pagani: "We are letting you know that we are able to upgrade your slower manual gearbox for a new automated paddle system for a minimal charge. We are sure you will be happy with the improved performance."

Me: "No. Do not replace the manual gearbox, I do not want to exchange it for a newer unit. I want the original in the car."

Pagani: "I have talked with our service director and he said we can do the upgrade for no additional charge. I am sure you will be happy with the improvement." (Koenigsegg did that too.)

Me: "NO! Do NOT exchange gearboxes. LEAVE THE ORIGINAL WITH THE CAR, I do not want an automated transmission in that car!"

[unbelieveable...]

Pagani: "Sir, this is a free upgrade, surely that is preferable to the way it is now. We cannot continue with the performance improvements you want unless we upgrade the gearbox and differential. So it is necessary."

Me: "No, do not replace the gearbox, if that means you cannot perform the upgrades then that is fine. Leave the original in the car. If this will be a problem we will personally go to the factory to discuss the matter."

*one day goes by*

Pagani: "Good news, sir. Our engineers say they can use the existing gearbox with only minor changes, so we can proceed with the engine upgrades."

[that's what I thought...]

See, my theory is that they no longer have any of the AMG single-clutch manual transmissions, they aren't being built anymore due to regulations, but they have other customers who want them and are willing to pay a fortune. So they'll do almost anything to lay their hands on one. Sneaky buggers. mad.gif


I'd probably have something in writing emailed off to them pronto with a required response and return.

Else wise you may very well get a call when the car's on the water to the effect that "due to (insert specious reason here) we put in the paddle shifters and are sure you will be eternally grateful to us for this free upgrade.

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I'd probably have something in writing emailed off to them pronto with a required response and return.
Else wise you may very well get a call when the car's on the water to the effect that "due to (insert specious reason here) we put in the paddle shifters and are sure you will be eternally grateful to us for this free upgrade.

I doubt the letter would matter to them. Do you really think an Italian court would give a cr@p about a letter from an American lawyer? Remember Amanda Knox? eek.gif
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