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The Testarossa was one of my poster cars as a teen, along with the Countach and an F40. Today, I know the design is flawed, compared to other Ferrari models, before and after, it's clunky, but I just don't care. It has presence, an amazing sound, and is more fun to drive today than it was when it came out (because of tire advancements). Not all Ferraris are pretty, but they aren't supposed to be, their mark is to make something striking and memorable, and standing next to a Testarossa is definitely that. Flaws and all, it's still a great car. In fact, the only thing I changed on my 512 TR, aside from grippier rubber, was the brakes. Overall, from a driver's perspective, those are the technologies that have improved the most in the last two decades. With some wrenches and patience you can even dial-in the suspension with reasonable effectiveness, something that can't really be said about the 308/328 without aftermarket help.



Mera guy called, again, saying he was willing to be flexible on his price (oh really?) and could come down to $35,000. Heh. Not really wanting to prolong the whole thing, because I'm bored with it, I told him point blank that the car isn't worth more than $15000 at best, because it really is just a Fiero with a dealer-added body kit. He got mad. Then I added that it's in awful condition, inside and out, and was leaking oil in 3 places (valve covers, front seal, and oil pan), meaning that would need to be rebuilt. Factoring in parts and labor to restore it, I could give him $5,000. He hung-up on me. Damn, another missed opportunity, I'm crushed!



Really neat car here, it's the only black-on-black M/T F430 ever sold in the USA, one of only 3 ever made, and the only one with all available performance options that year (incl CC brakes). Also it's an `08 with only 10k miles on it and it's been mechanically upgraded to Scuderia spec (ECU and valve job), by a place we've actually heard of, is up-to-date on all service, and he was asking below book value.





It was one of the shortest negotiations ever, took ~7 minutes. The seller said, "I feel like I left money on the table", and I replied, "I feel the same way, so it's probably fine".
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The Testarossa was one of my poster cars as a teen, along with the Countach and an F40. Today, I know the design is flawed, compared to other Ferrari models, before and after, it's clunky, but I just don't care. It has presence, an amazing sound, and is more fun to drive today than it was when it came out (because of tire advancements). Not all Ferraris are pretty, but they aren't supposed to be, their mark is to make something striking and memorable, and standing next to a Testarossa is definitely that. Flaws and all, it's still a great car. In fact, the only thing I changed on my 512 TR, aside from grippier rubber, was the brakes. Overall, from a driver's perspective, those are the technologies that have improved the most in the last two decades. With some wrenches and patience you can even dial-in the suspension with reasonable effectiveness, something that can't really be said about the 308/328 without aftermarket help.
 

Mera guy called, again, saying he was willing to be flexible on his price (oh really?) and could come down to $35,000. Heh. Not really wanting to prolong the whole thing, because I'm bored with it, I told him point blank that the car isn't worth more than $15000 at best, because it really is just a Fiero with a dealer-added body kit. He got mad. Then I added that it's in awful condition, inside and out, and was leaking oil in 3 places (valve covers, front seal, and oil pan), meaning that would need to be rebuilt. Factoring in parts and labor to restore it, I could give him $5,000. He hung-up on me. Damn, another missed opportunity, I'm crushed!
 

Really neat car here, it's the only black-on-black M/T F430 ever sold in the USA, one of only 3 ever made, and the only one with all available performance options that year (incl CC brakes). Also it's an `08 with only 10k miles on it and it's been mechanically upgraded to Scuderia spec (ECU and valve job), by a place we've actually heard of, is up-to-date on all service, and he was asking below book value.





It was one of the shortest negotiations ever, took ~7 minutes. The seller said, "I feel like I left money on the table", and I replied, "I feel the same way, so it's probably fine".


Ah the best kind of deal. Pretty car, although quite understated in noir.

 

Shame about the Mera. For the right price it would be worth owning one just for cheap fun. I wonder who he'll try to hawk it to next. Keep checking the Thievesbay listings.

 

We are obviously on different sides of the coin re ubercars. I never really found the Countach attractive either. I am more apt to bemoan the loss of swoopy flowing designs, than appreciate the folded and pressed look that became so prevalent in the era. Squared off was allways a Mercedes thing in my mind.

 

On another note. The Tascams have proven to be a wonderful curse. I find myself grabbing them over a lot of stuff priced exponentially higher. They have become trustworthy and thus far only one track has forced me to alter the tuning a little. Thing like this make me stop and re evaluate mid priced and lower high end stuff on the market today.

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You have to wonder if that seller really believed anything he was spewing. At a certain point in their ownership, Fauxrarri owners are known to sometimes internalize the things they say to convince others their cars are real. I can't believe that the guy genuinely thought he would be able to pitch the thing as a real Ferrari to you. Not only is it criminal, but it's downright stupid.

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Saw this on the way home today - this is a 612 Scaglietti, correct? Sorry about the pic, it was getting dark and I was doing about 75 mph at the time...





I do love driving on SoCal freeways, every day is another opportunity to see a cool car!
Edited by billybob_jcv - 3/13/14 at 8:21pm
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Yes, that's a 612 Scag. The most Jag-like Ferrari; plush, fast, and kinda "squishy". wink.gif

The whole time I've wondered if I was being trolled by the Mera guy, but if he was trolling that sure was taking a lot of his personal time.

I handed over the repo of the Viper to my lawyer. Since we have the car and his signature on the contract, that clearly and boldly states that we own it if he doesn't pay for the service and pick it up within 60 days, unless other arrangements are made in writing, I suppose it's mine now. That's cool, one of the first things I'm doing is having it repainted. very_evil_smiley.gif Gray is just wrong for that car. I drove it today and **** it's fast. My mechanic says it dynoed at a little over 650whp but it feels like more than that. After driving a lot of Euro sports cars, it's really raw, I think "savage" is how some would describe it, and they're right.
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Now that it's aged some, the 612 looks a lot more handsome when it did at the time the 599 and 430 were being produced. It's not very common to see one; they were a sales flop as far as modern Ferraris go.

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Yeah, too expensive for the US market (for a GT), but I think they'll hold up better in terms of style in the long run. As like many others, I'm waiting for it to bottom out.


Was checking these out for historic racing, thinking I might try to get one. What do you all think?

http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/13/twin-cam-jewels-three-race-pedigreed-abarth-bialberos/
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Yeah, too expensive for the US market (for a GT), but I think they'll hold up better in terms of style in the long run. As like many others, I'm waiting for it to bottom out.

Was checking these out for historic racing, thinking I might try to get one. What do you all think?

http://bringatrailer.com/2014/03/13/twin-cam-jewels-three-race-pedigreed-abarth-bialberos/


Love the cars, but the seller?

 

When I see things like "Said to have been professionally restored" and "It’s also said to have finished 2nd at Sebring in 1962, with supporting documentation included in the sale"

 

I have to wonder at the verity of the seller. Not do hard to check up on this stuff. So is he just lazy, CYA'ing or sketchy?

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My minion is on it. The `62, the one in the US official livery, is apparently legit and so far looks to be the most original of the 3. It's also recorded >30 class wins in Mexico & Central America through 1974 before being retired.
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My minion is on it. The `62, the one in the US official livery, is apparently legit and so far looks to be the most original of the 3. It's also recorded >30 class wins in Mexico & Central America through 1974 before being retired.


The 62 or the 63 would seem to be the picks of the litter there. If the minion can verify some history that would be great. Are these pure auction items or is there an actual ask?

 

 

This is tasteless, but...

 

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Bring-A-Trailer is really just a news site, like /. or Engadget. The guy posting the story isn't necessarily the guy selling them. The actual eBay ad is much more specific - without the CYA...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/380862421477

I like the 62 or the 63 because they have the dual carbs. The 59 looks like someone put a Holley double-pumper on it...
Edited by billybob_jcv - 3/14/14 at 5:11pm
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Bring-A-Trailer is really just a news site, like /. or Engadget. The guy posting the story isn't necessarily the guy selling them. The actual eBay ad is much more specific - without the CYA...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/380862421477

I like the 62 or the 63 because they have the dual carbs. The 59 looks like someone put a Holley double-pumper on it...


I think that is actually a Weber (had many of em on my series of 70's Celicas)

 

I trust vehicle sales on theivesbay just slightly less than Barret Jakoff.

 

How did Reagan put it "Trust, but verify" :wink_face:

 

Something about this thread always digs back into memory. Cannot be healthy but hey what the heck.

 

 

Eminently raceable if you can find one.

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Except that it's French, which means that every time a BMW or a Volkswagen gets close, it pulls over and surrenders...
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Magick - is there a specific type of historic racing you are considering? I know there are several different organizations and different groups within each org.
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Except that it's French, which means that every time a BMW or a Volkswagen gets close, it pulls over and surrenders...


You obviously have that confused with the Italian.

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