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My POS commuter car has a 6-speed auto - it seems very "shifty" to me - I barely touch the throttle and it shifts, which is rather annoying on the freeway. I find that I can get 2-5 mpg better per tank by locking it into 6th when I'm cruising. There is still enough torque to allow me to overtake slower cars. Makes me wonder what the engineers were thinking. I suspect it is somehow related to the federal mpg testing - the cars are optimized for those test scenarios so they can advertise the mpg, and if that doesn't match the real world, too bad. This car (Hyundai Elantra) is well known to get nowhere near it's rating of 40 mpg on the highway. If I'm careful, I can get no better than ~33 mpg, which is about average according to the Elantra forums. If I'm NOT careful (ie, how I really drive), I get ~29-30 mpg for almost pure highway cruising.
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You should be happy you even get that kinda millage lol :). Here it's mostly stop and go and even when on the Highway it's usually climbing a hill or mountain so there goes that millage. My car is rated at 27 Highway and 18 in the City. I tend to be averaging around 16. Now if I was to drive down to Ha'ula (Turtle Bay side) I could very well get 30+.
 

post #603 of 7318
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Makes me wonder what the engineers were thinking. I suspect it is somehow related to the federal mpg testing - the cars are optimized for those test scenarios so they can advertise the mpg, and if that doesn't match the real world, too bad.

I think that's exactly it. My older car (as in an actual car) only has a 4-speed (and 4 is OD), and rarely hunts gears (for the most part it just picks a gear and stays in it, unless you gun it, or decide you want to climb Everest (and in both cases the owner's manual prescribes turning OD off, and indeed, if you do that it will absolutely behave (it stops trying to "cruise")); my newer SUV (it's an '04 with a V6) is 5 or 6 (I forget, too lazy to go pull the VIN just for this discussion) and each gear is incredibly short until it gets up into top (a lot like your Hyundai I'm assuming), and it gets *terrible* fuel economy (relative to its sticker, and relative to the old boat) by contrast. And it doesn't help that my truck is an FFV, because E85 gets even worse economy than gas. It's more of a slap in the face "yeah this gets horrible economy, but it can use cheaper fuel that performs even worse, but it's slightly cheaper!"

And while I'm lamenting burning through gas at an insane rate, I have to remember that I rarely actually drive. So sure it costs me $50-$60 for a tank of gas, but I do that monthly or thereabouts. I wish my car had like a 50 gallon tank, so I could just fuel quarterly. redface.gif
Edited by obobskivich - 10/12/12 at 11:06am
post #604 of 7318
Yeah - rub it in - I'm filling up 2-3 times per week. I pay out more regularly than any casino slot machine...

I'm thinking of mounting a mast & sail to the top of my car to catch some of the onshore breeze. I think it would work fine, except that I would need to tack back and forth across the lanes of the freeway. Comin' about! tongue.gif


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I think that's exactly it. My older car (as in an actual car) only has a 4-speed (and 4 is OD), and rarely hunts gears (for the most part it just picks a gear and stays in it, unless you gun it, or decide you want to climb Everest (and in both cases the owner's manual prescribes turning OD off, and indeed, if you do that it will absolutely behave (it stops trying to "cruise")); my newer SUV (it's an '04 with a V6) is 5 or 6 (I forget, too lazy to go pull the VIN just for this discussion) and each gear is incredibly short until it gets up into top (a lot like your Hyundai I'm assuming), and it gets *terrible* fuel economy (relative to its sticker, and relative to the old boat) by contrast. And it doesn't help that my truck is an FFV, because E85 gets even worse economy than gas. It's more of a slap in the face "yeah this gets horrible economy, but it can use cheaper fuel that performs even worse, but it's slightly cheaper!"
And while I'm lamenting burning through gas at an insane rate, I have to remember that I rarely actually drive. So sure it costs me $50-$60 for a tank of gas, but I do that monthly or thereabouts. I wish my car had like a 50 gallon tank, so I could just fuel quarterly. redface.gif


Yeah the ethanol crap makes things worse and the car runs funky. Lacks combustion which results in the engine bogging down lol and loss of gas millage....

post #606 of 7318
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Yeah - rub it in - I'm filling up 2-3 times per week. I pay out more regularly than any casino slot machine...
I'm thinking of mounting a mast & sail to the top of my car to catch some of the onshore breeze. I think it would work fine, except that I would need to tack back and forth across the lanes of the freeway. Comin' about! tongue.gif

lol.

You fuel less than most people I know who seriously drive/commute (I know a few people who fuel daily). If that makes it any better. ph34r.gif

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Yeah the ethanol crap makes things worse and the car runs funky. Lacks combustion which results in the engine bogging down lol and loss of gas millage....

If the engine is designed for it, it will run fine. It's just less efficient per gallon, because there's less energy in the fuel. Again, with an FFV, the fuel sensor should make appropriate adjustments (just like how EFI engines with MAF will adjust for altitude, fuel richness, etc - it's just more sophisticated then that, but not all the way to a gas turbine (which will drink anything that burns)). You shouldn't be dumping E85 into a normal gasoline engine.

This isn't the same as Ethanol additives to fuel, which is designed to reduce smog. Modern cars (I don't even know how "old" that includes, I know my '88 is included, but I also know it was pretty advanced for it's era (it's one of the first Ford vehicles to have direct-port EFI as far as I understand)) should be designed to handle up to 10% Ethanol for this, but that doesn't make them suitable for running E85. I've not observed a substantial decrease in fuel economy running 10% (it's "up to 10%" but generally is not actually 10%, it can be much lower) - I have no idea what it does for emissions (I know my car, despite being ancient, is actually pretty clean according to the state emissions tests (I have a few years of records too), I'd be curious to see what a classified PZEV or LEV benches out like in comparison, but I know that I'm ahead of a lot of mid 1990s economy cars that were just starting to see EFI, despite having an *ancient* design that Ford just up and decided to drop an EFI manifold onto, because "oh look, computers!").
post #607 of 7318
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Yeah - rub it in - I'm filling up 2-3 times per week. I pay out more regularly than any casino slot machine...
I'm thinking of mounting a mast & sail to the top of my car to catch some of the onshore breeze. I think it would work fine, except that I would need to tack back and forth across the lanes of the freeway. Comin' about! tongue.gif
 

Yeah, I feel you. My daily driver was a 1997 Tahoe, with a bad distributer mind you. She ran VERY rich rolleyes.gif luckily i fixed that, now that car is my sisters problem. Funny thing about old solid steel american cars, she ran into a car in a parking lot, did $4000 damage to the car, scuffed a small 2 inch part of the bumper on the tahoe. Pretty much bullet proof.

post #608 of 7318
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Yeah, I feel you. My daily driver was a 1997 Tahoe, with a bad distributer mind you. She ran VERY rich rolleyes.gif  luckily i fixed that, now that car is my sisters problem. Funny thing about old solid steel american cars, she ran into a car in a parking lot, did $4000 damage to the car, scuffed a small 2 inch part of the bumper on the tahoe. Pretty much bullet proof.

I never thought I'd see the day where a 1997 Tahoe classified as an "old solid steel American car" - really. ph34r.gif
post #609 of 7318
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I never thought I'd see the day where a 1997 Tahoe classified as an "old solid steel American car" - really. ph34r.gif

Haha, it's all perspective. ;) I'm more used to the new stuff

post #610 of 7318
Thread Starter 
The Mini saga continues. Good news is that the head gasket isn't blown, bad news is the moron poured Coke into the crank case (and the washer fluid reservoir). Good thing it didn't turn over, because of the dead battery. So; engine flush, washer flush, new wheel, upholstery and dash repairs, interior cleanup (they had to remove the seats to clean it), new shifter knob (8 ball!), new tires, new battery, tuneup, detailing... $2800. Oh, and the "free" ECU flash, bringing it up to 195bhp. Surprisingly, everything else turned out okay and is solid as a rock. So despite the d-bag's destructive intentions, we're into it only $17500, that's great.



It has the sports suspension "track pack", so it does ride a little hard, but it ain't bad at all. We had a blast in it all evening, little sucker corners like a freakin Cylon interceptor. It's made for smooth heel-toe shifting with very short throws. Accelerates well too, throttle response is fantastic. It won't win any straight-line races, but the power is quite sufficient for this size car.

Also, yes, I have triumphed, I taught her how to drive a manual... well, more or less. She did fine in the parking lot and light traffic, just needs more practice. If you want to teach someone to drive a manual, use a Mini, it's the easiest stick on Earth bar none. Plus since she's so small (just under 5') and the car is too, it suits her and she loves it. cool.gif

Edit: Oh, and the build date for my McLaren MP4 is Dec 4th. Yay, a Tuesday car!

My current wallpaper, it's the config I ordered.


Edited by Magick Man - 10/13/12 at 3:12am
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Is that a 5-speed or 6-speed in the Mini? Looks like that story ended well after a dubious beginning.smile_phones.gif

post #612 of 7318
Thread Starter 
6-speed. It was always fixable, I just wasn't sure what we'd be into for it with all the repairs.
post #613 of 7318
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Also, yes, I have triumphed, I taught her how to drive a manual

 

And you're still in one piece?  biggrin.gif 

 

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Edit: Oh, and the build date for my McLaren MP4 is Dec 4th. Yay, a Tuesday car!

 

Is there something special about Tuesdays?  confused.gif

post #614 of 7318
Thread Starter 
You don't want a car built on a Friday because everyone is looking forward to the weekend and not focusing on their work, and you don't want one built on a Monday because they're still hungover. Tuesday - Thursday is ideal.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Yeah - rub it in - I'm filling up 2-3 times per week. I pay out more regularly than any casino slot machine...
I'm thinking of mounting a mast & sail to the top of my car to catch some of the onshore breeze. I think it would work fine, except that I would need to tack back and forth across the lanes of the freeway. Comin' about! tongue.gif

Images of James May come to mind.

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