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post #5716 of 7315
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

The Corvair is, IMO, more sophisticated now than it was in its day, to me the style has aged better than others of its era. I get what he's saying about wires, from a practical standpoint, they get "cruddy" and nasty faster than mag wheels, but for the Spyder trim they look better, to me (and "buttons" would be more appropriate for the Base trim). Of course they'd look weird on a Stinger, but it's a race car.


I think once they cleaned up the front end treament the car really took on a much more timeless look.

 

As for wires as hubcaps or anything else. May be a technical bias seeping over into aesthetic prejudice. Lets not forget that wire wheels on cars came about because they did not know any better. Racing soon enough pointed out the inherent problems with lateral loading on a tension spoked wheel and a change came fast. I'd go with steel or alloy any day of the week. The wires can sit in storage until the car gets sold;)

 

Now if you could locate a set of period MilleMiglia alloys for that beast... Then again, most likely be worth more than the car.

post #5717 of 7315
No one going to argue about the engineering superiority of a modern wheel. If I had a Corvair that was headed for SCCA Solo II I would make sure the wire wheels were left at home...


http://autoxer.skiblack.com/lespyder.html

But wire wheels still look cool - and on the Corvair, they were just wheel covers... wink.gif

post #5718 of 7315

It's amazing what a few simple changes can do to a car during its production run. The series one Corvair is one of my least favorite GM designs, but the series two is one of the most handsome, especially as a Spyder.

post #5719 of 7315
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One thing I love about Corvairs (today I realized that I inadvertently have one of every year between 62-67, now), is how simple it is to change their driving geometry. Small adjustments in suspension and weight distribution make for huge differences in the way they handle. Also, tires... HOLY S***, modern compound on a Corvair turns it into a new machine, and that's no exaggeration. We put some fairly grippy (and properly inflated) Yoko ADVANs, an all-weather high performance tire, on that 64 and the levels of mechanical grip are off the charts. With the extra bracing and upgraded shocks, it's fairly close to modern Lotus territory... with bargain shelf parts. I can't get over it.

However, due to those factors, and its weight (about 1100kg), it's really easy to overpower the chassis. 250 hp/torque is near the outer limit without serious mods, and then you'd be better off just buying a used Coxster S... unless the cool retro styling is that important to you (it is to me). wink.gif That's not stopping us from going on with our 550hp Corvair/Rover V8 project, but it's not going to be as easy as I once thought.
Edited by Magick Man - 2/1/14 at 4:26pm
post #5720 of 7315
Judging by the specs of the Rover V8, Magicks Corvair is starring in the new Frankenstein movie.
Sounds like the recipe for a widow maker a la 911 GT2.
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post #5722 of 7315
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

One thing I love about Corvairs (today I realized that I inadvertently have one of every year between 62-67, now), is how simple it is to change their driving geometry. Small adjustments in suspension and weight distribution make for huge differences in the way they handle. Also, tires... HOLY S***, modern compound on a Corvair turns it into a new machine, and that's no exaggeration. We put some fairly grippy (and properly inflated) Yoko ADVANs, an all-weather high performance tire, on that 64 and the levels of mechanical grip are off the charts. With the extra bracing and upgraded shocks, it's fairly close to modern Lotus territory... with bargain shelf parts. I can't get over it.

However, due to those factors, and its weight (about 1100kg), it's really easy to overpower the chassis. 250 hp/torque is near the outer limit without serious mods, and then you'd be better off just buying a used Coxster S... unless the cool retro styling is that important to you (it is to me). wink.gif That's not stopping us from going on with our 550hp Corvair/Rover V8 project, but it's not going to be as easy as I once thought.


It was that very malleability of the suspension that allowed rantinRalph to torpedo the car.  Funny how one mans performance dream becomes another's responsibility absolving lawsuit.

 

I'm thinking that at the point a half K of horsepower is in that car, swing axles have just been outclassed and some form of upper/lower A arm system and perhaps even a zf or hewland solution needs to come into the act. The width of rubber you are going to need for that power solution is well beyond the geometry limits of the original design.

Make sure to fab a new engine cover just in case you need to slap a blower on there.:wink_face:

post #5723 of 7315
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Guess the Corvair Wagon had not appeared yet.

The sixites, when SIZE really MATTERED!

post #5724 of 7315
Of course, Chevy had their own marketing department...



Part II


Edited by billybob_jcv - 2/1/14 at 5:49pm
post #5725 of 7315

And they said the USSR was the king of the propaganda film.

 

Nice touch trying to tow out the AA (Corvair ??)  though

 

Not sure that handling like an M48 is a feature though.

 

And still, that conspicuous absence of wire wheelcovers.:)

 

Funny aside there. That Ford Falcon was not nearly as bad handling as they lead on. If you knew how to really use the rudder it was diabolical fun!

 

Hey Magick. I meant to ask you before, do you actuall have a skidpad on site?

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post #5727 of 7315
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Magick - Would your buddies cr@p their pants if you showed up with one of these on track day? biggrin.gif

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1016-Jaguar-XJR-5-6.2%20Litre%2012-Cylinder
http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1273-March-85G%20Buick%20GTP%20-Buick%206-Cylinder%20Turbo%20By%20McLaren



God that XJR5 was a beautiful car. I met her in person a few times and true to Tuluis form it was immaculate. Not the most reliable vehicle in it's class. It did however put in some rather spectacular performances. In what was I believe to be his last race with group 44 (years ago so memory being what it is) Bill Adam held of the pack for an ungodly number of laps in absolute foul rain on slicks. Amazing display of car control

post #5728 of 7315
Yeah, I saw the Group 44 GTP Jags up close and personal back in the day too, at Laguna Seca. In fact, one of them could have been this car. I used to have an 8x10 of one of them on my wall in college that I took through the fence while I was at the race. Yet another treasure that somehow "disappeared" after I got married... mad.gif

Here's some Laguna Seca Group 44 GTP goodness...


Edited by billybob_jcv - 2/1/14 at 8:44pm
post #5729 of 7315
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Yeah, I saw the Group 44 GTP Jags up close and personal back in the day too, at Laguna Seca. In fact, one of them could have been this car. I used to have an 8x10 of one of them on my wall in college that I took through the fence while I was at the race. Yet another treasure that somehow "disappeared" after I got married... mad.gif

Here's some Laguna Seca Group 44 GTP goodness...

 

Gotta love the corkscrew in a ground effect car.

 

Bloody Porsche 956, 80 inch wide mobile chicane:rolleyes:

post #5730 of 7315
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So much awesomeness. I found out my redneck neighbors, the ones who;

- tried to stop me from building a privacy wall
- attempted to shoot my pets (one of the reasons for the wall)
- pee in my wife's direction when they see her outside (another reason for the wall)
- throw liquor and beer bottles against and over the wall
- rammed the wall repeatedly with their ATV (resulting in a broken ATV, which is still dead next to the wall)
- scream threats and profanity whenever they see either of us drive by...

are being foreclosed on because they're 6 months late on their mortgage. Bouncing for joy emoticon - bouncing-for-joy-smiley-emoticon.gif I'm going to be at that bank auction and buy the place, just so I can have it bulldozed flat, and then plant an orchard on it.

why didnt you just move out in the first place? 

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