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Originally Posted by gikigill View Post

After going through the whole process again, I would say you have a greed problem instead of a money problem billybob.
Too many middlemen in a process that involves my health is the last thing I would want, whether public or private sector.

Exactly! That's my point - if it was really just a relationship between a patient, a provider and a payor then that would be cool - but because we're talking about the US Federal Gov't, it is NEVER that simple! As Magick said - we don't even trust our gov't to correctly fill a pothole in an reasonably efficient manner, let alone handle our healthcare system. Picture this: A long trough. At one end is the patient that needs healthcare. At the other end is a big vat of taxpayer money being poured into the trough. In between is a loooong line of pigs with their snouts buried in the trough, gobbling as fast as they can. Not much makes it to the other end!

Here's another little tidbit: The insurance companies that are contracted to do the Medicare claims processing make more money when they pay out less money to the providers. Hmm, is it then really a surprise that the rules for submitting claims are ridiculously complex and the rejection rates of claims are high? The processors are willing to spend a significant amount of money to nitpick every claim - and then call it "quality control review" and "fraud prevention". I liken it to the TSA - willing to strip search old people and small children in order to look for the one in a million terrorist.
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Remember when I posted this? That was back when BCs were trading for $85, and now they're trading at 10x that. Heh. biggrin.gif

Good job. I've always been too timid to invest in BC since their values are so volatile and are partially dependent on illicit trade. When the Silk Road went down, for example, the value took quite a hit. I know it'd pay off for me in the long run, but it would stress me out to see the extreme shifts that come out of BC trading.

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So the Government should tell the insurance companies to take a hike and setup it's own system. If the person can afford private insurance, they can pay but if they can't they go with the Govt setup. It works pretty well here I must say as a lot of elderly folks go to the doctor for preventative measures instead of going for a cure later. Nothing can be better when it comes to people's health and we also read in the papers about doctors being taken to task for fraudulent claims or overinflated patient numbers since they get paid per patient by the Govt.
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Bitcoin was at $1200 but corrected to 850. Might go lower now that the Chinese have refused to show much interest. The rally was because of the demand from them.
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Originally Posted by gikigill View Post

So the Government should tell the insurance companies to take a hike and setup it's own system. If the person can afford private insurance, they can pay but if they can't they go with the Govt setup. It works pretty well here I must say as a lot of elderly folks go to the doctor for preventative measures instead of going for a cure later. Nothing can be better when it comes to people's health and we also read in the papers about doctors being taken to task for fraudulent claims or overinflated patient numbers since they get paid per patient by the Govt.


So few people trust the gov't here, it likely wouldn't work. Less than 10% have even tried to enroll in Obamacare since healthcare.gov went live, much less succeeded in actually getting any results. I can only imagine how much of a disaster universal healthcare would be if it were "handled" by this administration.

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Bitcoin was at $1200 but corrected to 850. Might go lower now that the Chinese have refused to show much interest. The rally was because of the demand from them.


The Chinese gov't isn't getting involved with it, but private investors from China have. The drop had more to do with that big heist that occurred recently, it has everyone nervous over the security of the various trade sites and their wallets. Right now coins are trading at >$900, and climbing.
Edited by Magick Man - 12/15/13 at 7:09pm
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I can only imagine how much of a disaster universal healthcare would be if it were "handled" by this ANY administration.

FTFY... tongue.gif

According to Google:

Population of Australia (2012): 22.68 Million
Population of California (2012): 38.04 Million
Population of United States (2012): 313.9 Million

For 2011, there were 70,200 medical doctors licensed in Australia.
For 2011-2012, there were 102,372 medical doctors licensed in California.
For 2012, there were 878,198 medical doctors licensed in the USA.

I think the scale is a bit different. wink.gif
Edited by billybob_jcv - 12/15/13 at 7:54pm
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So few people trust the gov't here, it likely wouldn't work. Less than 10% have even tried to enroll in Obamacare since healthcare.gov went live, much less succeeded in actually getting any results. I can only imagine how much of a disaster universal healthcare would be if it were "handled" by this administration.
 

I'm really trying to stay out of this one. BUT you are not really insinuating that a McCain administration could have handled it better?

 

Truth be told I suspect you are a decade or more away from even being able to attempt a nationwide govt healthcare scenario. As a political highlight it's a great idea and has gotten good mileage from Clinton to Obama. In reality, you have no idea whatsoever of just how large a burden on your government structure (before you even get to the financial component) implementing a health care program for your population would be.

 

It would be an effort larger than the planning of every single military operation undertaken by the US during the second world war.

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They are all bastards billybob, just a different diaper but the same ****.

On the other hand maybe a state by state roll out of healthcare might be a better idea depending on the population . Social security was just as big a task, maybe even bigger but they managed to pull it off in the UK and Australia. I have faith that if you want it, USA can do it.
Get the brightest minds from Google, Facebook, Apple et al to design something and make it a joint public private venture . Government brawn and private brains.
The promised land for me is America, not Israel.
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Originally Posted by gikigill View Post

They are all bastards billybob, just a different diaper but the same ****.

On the other hand maybe a state by state roll out of healthcare might be a better idea depending on the population . Social security was just as big a task, maybe even bigger but they managed to pull it off in the UK and Australia. I have faith that if you want it, USA can do it.
Get the brightest minds from Google, Facebook, Apple et al to design something and make it a joint public private venture . Government brawn and private brains.
The promised land for me is America, not Israel.

Thats just cause they kept the Japanese out of your faces in the last big go round:wink_face:

 

State by state would be lethal to the whole objective. As it is the burden is enormous enough without having each state pervert it with it's own legalities. California alone would simply solve the  whole issue by making it illegal to be sick and start offsetting their deficits with the fines.

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As of March 2010, legislators in 30 states had introduced legislation which would declare certain provisions of any proposed national health care bill to be null and void within the state; the legislation passed in Arizona, Idaho, Utah, and Virginia.[34] Such provisions include mandatory participation in such a system as well as preserving the right of a patient to pay a health care professional for treatment (and for the professional to accept it) outside of a single-payer system. Arizona's legislation passed as a proposed constitutional amendment, approved by voters in 2010.[35] On February 1, 2010, the Virginia Senate took a stand against a key provision of a proposed federal health care overhaul, passing legislation declaring that Virginia residents cannot be forced to buy health insurance. On March 17, 2010, Idaho Governor C.L. "Butch" Otter signed a bill requiring the Attorney General to sue the federal government if Idaho residents are required to buy health insurance.[36 

From  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#National_health_care_nullification

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I am Indian but I do realise what USA did in the World War. Don't mistake that as a sign that Australians want to migrate to USA though. I personally like living in Socialist Republic of Australia :-P
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I couldn't live in Australia - your ketchup (tomato sauce) tastes weird! tongue.gif
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http://www.usafoods.com.au/

 

So you were saying......

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You guys also have a lot to learn about Mexican food - but it is good to see there are some things our side of the equator can still export to you... wink.gif
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The entire area is without internet. According to AT&T the main node for the area took a dump and its bombed every ISP around here. How does that happen Billy? Don't they keep spares of those around? Aren't these systems supposed to be redundant? Right now I'm connected via dial-up and I'd forgotten how painful it is. redface.gif
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