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Stunning that he thought he'd get away with it.....especially in NYC of all places. They have just a bit of surveillance gear in that area. An idiotic stunt, and I hope he's punished for it. 

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Got it (the Lotus). Don't look! Guess what it went for, I'm still a little surprised. smily_headphones1.gif

To be honest, I have no idea what an Esprit goes for - any guess I make would be a complete WAG. I'm gonna go look!!

OK - I know you won't believe this, but I was going to guess $20-25K... tongue.gif

I based that on seeing one about a year ago that was selling locally for $17K - but it wasn't nearly as nice as yours. So, I figured yours should be worth North of $25K, but since you said you got a good deal... $20-25K

I know, I know - if I didn't have balls enough to make the guess before looking , then it doesn't count for schitt... biggrin.gif
Edited by billybob_jcv - 9/6/13 at 5:47pm
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BTW, I'm interested to know what was really done to that car. The stock 1989 Turbo Esprit SE doesn't appear to have 300 bhp, or the high wing...
http://www.lotusespritworld.com/EModels/SE.html
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The A10 is an amazing aircraft - proof that the "best" is a relative term that entirely depends on the requirements. The A10 is the right tool for the job.

There is an almost endless number of weapons specifically designed to kill armored vehicles. These all came out of the "Fulda Gap" scenario where masses of Soviet tanks were going to pour through the Fulda Gap into Europe. The West was going to be hugely outnumbered, so tank vs tank would never be close to 1-on-1. Each Western weapon had to be capable of killing numerous Soviet tanks.

In addition to the A10, one of my favorites that came at the end of the Cold War was the "Brilliant Anti Tank" (BAT) submunition. It could be fitted into cruise missiles and other platforms - the Tomahawk or ATACMS could carry over a dozen BAT vehicles. It has acoustic & IR sensors, and a shape charge warhead. The cruise missile spews them out at a high altitude, then each BAT autonomously finds a target, locks-on and kills it. Almost impossible to defeat, and deadly accurate. (When it works - testing was a mixed bag) BAT was deployed, but I don't know if it was ever actually used - it was delivered after the Iraq turkey shoot, so I think it missed it's time to shine.

So, picture this: You and your buddies are sitting in your bad-@ss main battle tank, surrounded by 100 other bad-@ss main battle tanks. You are the meanest mofo in the valley! Meanwhile, hundreds of miles away, a couple of Navy destroyers each fire 6 Tomahawk cruise missiles. An hour later, you and all 100 of your bad-@ss mofo friends explode - each of you blown to he11 by this:




Trust me - the LAST place you want to be when the bullets start flying is inside a tank!

 

 

I never knew BAT was actually deployed. I thought it was a "Star Wars"scenario where the threat was the actual intended weapon.

 

All well and good if your opposition has ATW's at their disposal. The Iraq fiasco showed just how poor non superpower countermeasures are.

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

BTW, I'm interested to know what was really done to that car. The stock 1989 Turbo Esprit SE doesn't appear to have 300 bhp, or the high wing...
http://www.lotusespritworld.com/EModels/SE.html

 

 

Me too. I thought there was a deeper air dam up front on that car (although it has been a long time).

 

I will be curious to hear driving impressions after a 100km + trip.

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I never knew BAT was actually deployed. I thought it was a "Star Wars"scenario where the threat was the actual intended weapon.

All well and good if your opposition has ATW's at their disposal. The Iraq fiasco showed just how poor non superpower countermeasures are.

Yeah, sorry - I was being pretty loose with my wording. I think the original BAT program was not actually deployed. What was deployed was a cheaper version that wasn't quite so "brilliant" tongue.gif That was a few years after I left that world, so I'm not really up on exactly what happened. I think it was modified to fit on a drone? Something like that. That makes sense, I guess - BAT was another in a long line of projects that no longer made sense when there wasn't a huge Soviet military to fight.

In the late '90s, "sensor fusion" was all the rage. The ability to combine multiple sensor technologies (IR, acoustics, active RF, passive RF, etc) with a bunch of computer SW to build a model of the battlefield and autonomously select targets, exclude countermeasures and guide to the target. The more "fusion", the higher the cost - and (from my limited experience) the more likely the program was to look better in theory than it did in live testing. Of course, the proponents of the autonomous weapons liked to gripe that the senior Air Force & Navy military were all a bunch of old pilots that would never approve of a system that didn't need a man-in-the-loop to make decisions.
Edited by billybob_jcv - 9/6/13 at 8:00pm
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Yeah, sorry - I was being pretty loose with my wording. I think the original BAT program was not actually deployed. What was deployed was a cheaper version that wasn't quite so "brilliant" tongue.gif That was a few years after I left that world, so I'm not really up on exactly what happened. I think it was modified to fit on a drone? Something like that. That makes sense, I guess - BAT was another in a long line of projects that no longer made sense when there wasn't a huge Soviet military to fight.

LOL

 

I'm still waiting for some zillionaire to turn Seawolf into a cruise ship:wink_face:

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To be honest, I have no idea what an Esprit goes for - any guess I make would be a complete WAG. I'm gonna go look!!

OK - I know you won't believe this, but I was going to guess $20-25K... tongue.gif

I based that on seeing one about a year ago that was selling locally for $17K - but it wasn't nearly as nice as yours. So, I figured yours should be worth North of $25K, but since you said you got a good deal... $20-25K

I know, I know - if I didn't have balls enough to make the guess before looking , then it doesn't count for schitt... biggrin.gif


There were 3 models that year and this is the middle one. It was also special ordered by Donald Sutherland, though it's unclear if he ever drove it himself. One thing that's clear is that someone took very good care of it and had it serviced like clockwork. Esprits in this condition are getting really scarce and I fully expected it to go up to 30k. Strangely, the OZ wheels were added not too long ago, and cost whoever had them put on more than $12k. confused_face(1).gif The "bench" wing was added by the dealer, it's a Lotus part but not one installed at the factory. We believe the 300hp is likely from someone disconnecting the smog pump and reaming out the catalytic converters. That was a fairly common thing to do back in the day, despite being illegal.

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Stunning that he thought he'd get away with it.....especially in NYC of all places. They have just a bit of surveillance gear in that area. An idiotic stunt, and I hope he's punished for it. 

He said he'd been doing it for months while "training" for the record attempt. I hope they can find evidence of that and add more violations to the list. very_evil_smiley.gif It's morons like him that cause legislators to overreact and add tougher driving laws.
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I wonder why he didn't cover his license plate and wear a disguise? He also shouldn't have said what kind of car he was driving or what day the drive occured. I'm sure that made it much easier to find him in the traffic cam footage.
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I wonder why he didn't cover his license plate and wear a disguise? He also shouldn't have said what kind of car he was driving or what day the drive occured. I'm sure that made it much easier to find him in the traffic cam footage.

 

For that matter, if you're going to do something that illegal, why not steal a car and use the stolen car to do it? Wear gloves and a mask, ditch the car afterwards, etc. Stupid criminals....lol

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He's the same type as the guys who tend to crash into my yard all the time. I've had two 911s and a '69 Camaro splayed all over my property in various states in the year and a half that I've lived near Mobile. I'm on a road that used to be locally famous for its twists and speed, but about a decade ago two cyclists were killed by a drunk driver and the speed limits went way down. The smart guys all went elsewhere (mostly to the track, since the police were very stringent for awhile), but now there's a few inherited-money jerks who think it's "cool" to drive like idiots all over the most dangerous road in the county.

 

Usually the crashes are just minivans and trucks from locals who still haven't gotten over the fact that the speed limit was lowered on the road, but occasionally we get some exotica.

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I'm currently watching the pinnacle movie of motorcycle racing: On Any Given Sunday - from 1971. This movie really resonates with me - I was 10 years old in 1971 and I rode dirt bikes and 3-wheel ATVs all the time. I wasn't a racer (well, not outside of my own mind), but a couple of buddies and I rode almost every weekend out on the farm and in the dry riverbed. We thought we were pretty hot stuff on our Honda Trail 50, 70 & 90!! Then, one Christmas, one of my friends got a Yamaha YZ80. Holy cr@p! That thing was on a whole different level! Then I got a weird little 3 wheel thing called a "Dune Cycle" - it had a 14 hp, 2 stroke racing go kart engine. That thing wasn't as fast as the YZ80 - but it wasn't far behind. Fun times!

This pic isn't me - but it could have been!! biggrin.gif

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I'm currently watching the pinnacle movie of motorcycle racing: On Any Given Sunday - from 1971. This movie really resonates with me - I was 10 years old in 1971 and I rode dirt bikes and 3-wheel ATVs all the time. I wasn't a racer (well, not outside of my own mind), but a couple of buddies and I rode almost every weekend out on the farm and in the dry riverbed. We thought we were pretty hot stuff on our Honda Trail 50, 70 & 90!! Then, one Christmas, one of my friends got a Yamaha YZ80. Holy cr@p! That thing was on a whole different level! Then I got a weird little 3 wheel thing called a "Dune Cycle" - it had a 14 hp, 2 stroke racing go kart engine. That thing wasn't as fast as the YZ80 - but it wasn't far behind. Fun times!

This pic isn't me - but it could have been!! biggrin.gif

 

 

Ha Ha, What? No Hodaka Wombat in the mix?

 

My crowd (same age) was busy destroying our "mustang" bicycles in the local woodlands and botanical bog. I like to think of that era as RD for upcoming Mountain biking adventures.:D

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Got this earlier, how's that for a grocery getter? wink.gif

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0913-166405&entryRow=325



Edited by Magick Man - 9/7/13 at 11:08am
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Ha Ha, What? No Hodaka Wombat in the mix?

My crowd (same age) was busy destroying our "mustang" bicycles in the local woodlands and botanical bog. I like to think of that era as RD for upcoming Mountain biking adventures.biggrin.gif

No - no Wombat - A Wombat would have been a monster compared to what we had. redface.gif The older brother of the friend with the YZ80 had gotten a YZ125 (or whatever the 125cc big brother to the YZ80 was called) - and we were in absolute awe of that thing - it was a *real* motocross bike, not a silly Honda Trail Bike or the junior-sized YZ80. Of course, we never got to touch that bike... rolleyes.gif

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Got this earlier, how's that for a grocery getter? wink.gif

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0913-166405&entryRow=325



I always liked Nomads - I guess I might have wanted to be a SoCal surfer... tongue.gif
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