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I have an idea for what to do with the almost a GTO - this looks like fun (& expensive!)

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Am I insane for liking the looks of the boxy 400i more than I ever liked those of the 308? I do love the 288 GTO, though; it's nearly perfect in person.

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So - why haven't we had any discussion of this baby:



It is outrageously expensive - but I see it as a statement car that may foretell the future of supercars. The TG segment on it was amazing. Surely there's a way to bring some of that technology down into the real world, no? The four motor drive train is very cool. Of course, we're still completely stymied by battery technology. I think we need an electrified roadway - perhaps with magnetic induction. Of course, the problem might be keeping the car from parboiling the driver - but maybe if the car is all composite plastics that would no longer be a problem - as long as you aren't wearing steel toed shoes or a metal zipper on your jeans...


Edited by billybob_jcv - 8/3/13 at 10:25am
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 but maybe if the car is all composite plastics that would no longer be a problem - as long as you aren't wearing steel toed shoes or a metal zipper on your jeans...

 

Don't be that sure, carbon fiber for example can be extremely conductive.

 

There are some "funny" stories of anglers getting caught in power lines biggrin.gif

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Don't be that sure, carbon fiber for example can be extremely conductive.

There are some "funny" stories of anglers getting caught in power lines biggrin.gif

Well, it is conductive, but I don't think it is magnetic, so I don't think it would respond to an induction field. Of course it could be made to respond to an induction field by mixing some iron filings into the composite. But, for example, a copper (or aluminum) pot will not work on an induction cooktop because the copper is not magnetic and will not react to the induction field.

It's really a pretty simple concept - build Tesla coils into the roadway, with another coil on the bottom of the car (or at each wheel) that is resonance coupled to the road. Bingo - power transfer occurs. Now add solar collectors and fuel cells to power the roadway, with a control system to turn-on and off the road segments as cars approach, and you have a very efficient and very green transportation system, with no heavy & nasty lead-acid or heavy-metal based batteries needed.

Tesla is my hero!
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Well, it is conductive, but I don't think it is magnetic, so I don't think it would respond to an induction field. Of course it could be made to respond to an induction field by mixing some iron filings into the composite. But, for example, a copper (or aluminum) pot will not work on an induction cooktop because the copper is not magnetic and will not react to the induction field.

It's really a pretty simple concept - build Tesla coils into the roadway, with another coil on the bottom of the car (or at each wheel) that is resonance coupled to the road. Bingo - power transfer occurs. Now add solar collectors and fuel cells to power the roadway, with a control system to turn-on and off the road segments as cars approach, and you have a very efficient and very green transportation system, with no heavy & nasty lead-acid or heavy-metal based batteries needed.

Tesla is my hero!

I don't want your socialist, anti-ICE future! wink.gif


I told the guy the offer on the faux 288 GTO was good for 48hrs, so I guess he called some more people and found out the car isn't worth what he'd want it to be, then called back and wanted to set up delivery. I'm offering too much, but it sure is pretty (and I don't want to spend 1.2M for the real thing). See, what I do is I research and figure a target price (based on an average of Cond 2 and 3 values), then if a car on my list hits at or below that target, and it's in favorable condition, I move on it. So far this car has been selling well above where I feel it should be, but I could be wrong, maybe it has nearly doubled in value in 3 years. redface.gif

McLaren called again, this time it was a chick with a sexy Scottish accent, telling me I'd qualified to purchase a P1. I told her I wasn't interested, she replied by telling me they have financing plans available (for a $1.5M car?!?). Finally I said, "It isn't the money, I'm just not interested in the car itself".

"Oh. Why not? It's the most advanced, fastest car that's ever been made." (I swear she sounded like Amy Macdonald)
"Those factors aren't a big priority for me, most new supercars can perform beyond my ability to keep up anyway."
"Then, if I may ask, what is holding you back sir?"
"Well, frankly, I think it's hideous."
*long pause* "Really?"
"Yeah, to me it's a real minger, and I don't think I want to look at it every day."
"Alright then, Mr ******, have a nice day." (sounding a little distraught)

I think that actually hurt her feelings, somehow. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Magick Man - 8/3/13 at 1:16pm
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Tesla is my hero!

Me too !

 

May I know in which field you're working? Engineering?

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I don't want your socialist, anti-ICE future! wink.gif

McLaren called again, this time it was a chick with a sexy Scottish accent, telling me I'd qualified to purchase a P1.
 
 

What do they actually need aside from your money?

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What do they actually need aside from your money?

I'm not quite understanding your question.
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No, no - you are just not seeing my bigger picture. I want the induction motored cars for all the unwashed masses. This reserves all the remaining oil for *us* - the people who can actually appreciate the cars. I'm tired of our scarce resource being wasted to power the Chevy Aveo & Suburbans, Town & Country minivans and those white panel box trucks that make deliveries and are always in the fast lane going 62 MPH. In addition, My powered roadway still looks like any other stretch of road. Find yourself an empty stretch of road, and you can still put your foot down in your gas-burning supercar.

I see the alternative as a slow death of the ICE through more and more regulations and smaller and smaller displacements. Hybrids are a HORRIBLE solution that just delay the death of the performance car - they do nothing to keep performance alive.

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I'm not quite understanding your question.


Sorry,

 

You said that the lady with the sexy accent told you that you did qualify to buy a P1. What does that mean? Are they just saying that, since you've already bought a car from them, you have the privilège to be among the potential clients, or do you have to pass a test just like for the FXX?

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Well, it is conductive, but I don't think it is magnetic, so I don't think it would respond to an induction field. Of course it could be made to respond to an induction field by mixing some iron filings into the composite. But, for example, a copper (or aluminum) pot will not work on an induction cooktop because the copper is not magnetic and will not react to the induction field.

It's really a pretty simple concept - build Tesla coils into the roadway, with another coil on the bottom of the car (or at each wheel) that is resonance coupled to the road. Bingo - power transfer occurs. Now add solar collectors and fuel cells to power the roadway, with a control system to turn-on and off the road segments as cars approach, and you have a very efficient and very green transportation system, with no heavy & nasty lead-acid or heavy-metal based batteries needed.

Tesla is my hero!

It may be "green" but you are tinkering with a massive biological hazard there. Most living organisms have unfavourable reactions to induction fields of the magnitude you are talking about.

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I don't want your socialist, anti-ICE future! wink.gif


I told the guy the offer on the faux 288 GTO was good for 48hrs, so I guess he called some more people and found out the car isn't worth what he'd want it to be, then called back and wanted to set up delivery. I'm offering too much, but it sure is pretty (and I don't want to spend 1.2M for the real thing). See, what I do is I research and figure a target price (based on an average of Cond 2 and 3 values), then if a car on my list hits at or below that target, and it's in favorable condition, I move on it. So far this car has been selling well above where I feel it should be, but I could be wrong, maybe it has nearly doubled in value in 3 years. redface.gif

McLaren called again, this time it was a chick with a sexy Scottish accent, telling me I'd qualified to purchase a P1. I told her I wasn't interested, she replied by telling me they have financing plans available (for a $1.5M car?!?). Finally I said, "It isn't the money, I'm just not interested in the car itself".

"Oh. Why not? It's the most advanced, fastest car that's ever been made." (I swear she sounded like Amy Macdonald)
"Those factors aren't a big priority for me, most new supercars can perform beyond my ability to keep up anyway."
"Then, if I may ask, what is holding you back sir?"
"Well, frankly, I think it's hideous."
*long pause* "Really?"
"Yeah, to me it's a real minger, and I don't think I want to look at it every day."
"Alright then, Mr ******, have a nice day." (sounding a little distraught)

I think that actually hurt her feelings, somehow. rolleyes.gif
 
So the ersatz 288 is on the way? No reason really but that particular car does it for me. Probably the idea that you can flog it all day and not feel you are insulting a real Ferrari legend. Something to be said for the "replica" thingy after all. (eyes Lancia Stratos page for the umpteenth and 1 time).
Poor McLaren, seems you struck a nerve there. :) If you want you can console her with a kind offer for me to take your place in the buyers queue. I figure if they can do the finance thing, I can pay it out in about a hundred thousand weeksbiggrin.gif
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No, no - you are just not seeing my bigger picture. I want the induction motored cars for all the unwashed masses. This reserves all the remaining oil for *us* - the people who can actually appreciate the cars. I'm tired of our scarce resource being wasted to power the Chevy Aveo & Suburbans, Town & Country minivans and those white panel box trucks that make deliveries and are always in the fast lane going 62 MPH. In addition, My powered roadway still looks like any other stretch of road. Find yourself an empty stretch of road, and you can still put your foot down in your gas-burning supercar.

I see the alternative as a slow death of the ICE through more and more regulations and smaller and smaller displacements. Hybrids are a HORRIBLE solution that just delay the death of the performance car - they do nothing to keep performance alive.

biggrin.gif

I'm afraid what would happen is the same as with leaded gas (the good orange stuff). You can buy it, but it's made in such small quantities that you have pay $11 /gallon. On the cars that need it, I use a lead additive, but I sure wish leaded gas was a little more available. Completely agree on hybrids, and on battery-powered cars in general, all those LI-ION batteries being made are an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
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Sorry,

You said that the lady with the sexy accent told you that you did qualify to buy a P1. What does that mean? Are they just saying that, since you've already bought a car from them, you have the privilège to be among the potential clients, or do you have to pass a test just like for the FXX?

You must meet 1 of 2 criteria, you must buy an MP4-12C from them directly, or own an F1. If you simply have an MP4, you can't get on the list, meaning if you bought one used or 2nd hand, you're SOL. I qualify by meeting both requirements, but I don't believe I could stand to look at it. While I could just throw a cover on it and let it sit and appreciate, that doesn't seem very sporting of me.
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So the ersatz 288 is on the way? No reason really but that particular car does it for me. Probably the idea that you can flog it all day and not feel you are insulting a real Ferrari legend. Something to be said for the "replica" thingy after all. (eyes Lancia Stratos page for the umpteenth and 1 time). Poor McLaren, seems you struck a nerve there. smily_headphones1.gif If you want you can console her with a kind offer for me to take your place in the buyers queue. I figure if they can do the finance thing, I can pay it out in about a hundred thousand weeks

Not yet, we still need to work out escrow and I need more documentation on it. Provided he doesn't back out and things go well, it should be headed here sometime in the next week or so.

She took it personally, I guess, but I'm not sure why. It may be the greatest car ever made, but it's just so hideous. A Pacer would look at it and say, "you ugly!", while a Gremlin laughs at it.
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I'm afraid what would happen is the same as with leaded gas (the good orange stuff). You can buy it, but it's made in such small quantities that you have pay $11 /gallon. On the cars that need it, I use a lead additive, but I sure wish leaded gas was a little more available. Completely agree on hybrids, and on battery-powered cars in general, all those LI-ION batteries being made are an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
You must meet 1 of 2 criteria, you must buy an MP4-12C from them directly, or own an F1. If you simply have an MP4, you can't get on the list, meaning if you bought one used or 2nd hand, you're SOL. I qualify by meeting both requirements, but I don't believe I could stand to look at it. While I could just throw a cover on it and let it sit and appreciate, that doesn't seem very sporting of me.
Not yet, we still need to work out escrow and I need more documentation on it. Provided he doesn't back out and things go well, it should be headed here sometime in the next week or so.

She took it personally, I guess, but I'm not sure why. It may be the greatest car ever made, but it's just so hideous. A Pacer would look at it and say, "you ugly!", while a Gremlin laughs at it.


Oh you evil man. Everytime someone mentions an AMC product here one goes by withing a few hours. When next it appears (it seems to be on some Brigadoonian schedule) I'll snap a pic of the local chopped and channeled  Pacer with the Porsche whale tail. (or maybe, hopefully, I just hallucinated that).eek.gif

 

And apparently the corollary to "Wealth does not automatically imply good taste" is "Phenomenal engineering abilty does not either". Sorry Mac, but you built your own ugly cousin this time.

 

You can put that money aside in case an M6BGT ever becomes available.eek.gif

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I don't want your socialist, anti-ICE future! wink.gif


I told the guy the offer on the faux 288 GTO was good for 48hrs, so I guess he called some more people and found out the car isn't worth what he'd want it to be, then called back and wanted to set up delivery. I'm offering too much, but it sure is pretty (and I don't want to spend 1.2M for the real thing). See, what I do is I research and figure a target price (based on an average of Cond 2 and 3 values), then if a car on my list hits at or below that target, and it's in favorable condition, I move on it. So far this car has been selling well above where I feel it should be, but I could be wrong, maybe it has nearly doubled in value in 3 years. redface.gif

McLaren called again, this time it was a chick with a sexy Scottish accent, telling me I'd qualified to purchase a P1. I told her I wasn't interested, she replied by telling me they have financing plans available (for a $1.5M car?!?). Finally I said, "It isn't the money, I'm just not interested in the car itself".

"Oh. Why not? It's the most advanced, fastest car that's ever been made." (I swear she sounded like Amy Macdonald)
"Those factors aren't a big priority for me, most new supercars can perform beyond my ability to keep up anyway."
"Then, if I may ask, what is holding you back sir?"
"Well, frankly, I think it's hideous."
*long pause* "Really?"
"Yeah, to me it's a real minger, and I don't think I want to look at it every day."
"Alright then, Mr ******, have a nice day." (sounding a little distraught)

I think that actually hurt her feelings, somehow. rolleyes.gif

 

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Even in black it doesn't suit you?

 

Maybe this video will help you think a bit differently about the P1 looks.

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