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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

It makes a better wall poster than a car, unfortunately. Of the 4 times I've taken it out and driven it hard, not abused it or driven recklessly, just driven it like it should be driven, 3 times something has broken or been damaged. The last time was a support rod on the left rear, it simply snapped in half. Right now I'm at the point where we either let it sit and appreciate, for the most part, and leave it as garage art, or strip it down and go over it with a fine-toothed comb. Also I hate the pedal feel and the shifter is way too stiff and clunky. IMO, it's a prime example of form over function, and that's rather sad.
That's a point, but here's an interesting bit of data, 0-60 mph happens only .75 of a second faster than 60-120. blink.gif Like other turbos I've driven, mid range acceleration is freakish and explosive, due to boost pressure having already been built up. With all of the "heavyweight" turbocharged cars, one second I'll look at the speedo and I'm doing 65, then the next it's at 100, and given the nature of their handling and the way they diminish the feeling of speed, you'd otherwise never know it (except for the blur of things going by). wink.gif

Well, I guess you will just have to take it to a proper drag strip and settle it once and for all! biggrin.gif

I guess I should have asked more questions about how you had the radar gun set-up. How did you capture the speed at exactly the point you crossed the quarter mile line, and where was the radar gun located in relation to the line?
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Well, I guess you will just have to take it to a proper drag strip and settle it once and for all! biggrin.gif

I guess I should have asked more questions about how you had the radar gun set-up. How did you capture the speed at exactly the point you crossed the quarter mile line, and where was the radar gun located in relation to the line?

It was set "instant on", meaning it snaps a reading when the IR beam is broken, and it was set along the 1/4 mi line itself. It's flat and level, and the readings were taken directly from the OBD2 dongle, which can be flawed, I'm aware of that, because in-car speedos aren't always very accurate. However, I can't imagine that it's too far off.
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BTW, very much loving the 'Segg Magick. Amazing that it achieved a 9 second time at the quarter mile. What were the reactions of people when you take it on the road?

My very first run was my second fastest, @9.9s, then a couple of runs in the low 10s. What's so amazing is, usually when you're rough with a clutch you get a smell, and on most cars of this caliber you get some temp issues when you flog them. Not here, not with that car. I like its quirks, like the distinctive interior where the machined aluminum buttons are unmarked, except at night when the lights are on. It's the 60s Italian philosophy on car design, "it's your car, you should already know what the buttons do". Also there's the speedo, tach, and boost level gauges all overlapping each other in the same pod.

People around here have no idea what it is, and that suits me just fine.
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Originally Posted by customcoco View Post

Indeed.

Damn, I'm gobsmacked.

That's the difference between the Koeni and the Zonda, it feels handmade like the Zonda, but the mechanicals have had as much (or more) attention lavished upon them as its looks. This may have changed with the Huayra, but Pagani it seems is caught up in his visual design to the point of making the function of the car secondary. And, no auto designer should ever forget that first and foremost it's a vehicle and not a sculpture.
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I've always preferred Koenigsegg in the form department, anyways. I bet that 7.3-liter AMG unit from the Pagani could work wonders in a proper hypercar.

There are issues with every car like this I've driven. With the big marques, like Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti (it's a big VW), and even McLaren, there's a "mass-produced" feeling, like everything is a little too refined and overly polished. There's no element of madness anymore, which in turn means there's very little genius in them, either. They're all made of great materials of course, and super fast, but they also feel like they've been sanitized to the point of losing what makes a supercar so special. The McLaren F1 will scare the bejesus out of you, as will all the old Lambos and most pre-F50 Ferraris (I've not driven an Enzo). Sure, with big corporate management came better reliability, but at the same time they lost their raw edge. This Koenigsegg is still sophisticated and comfortable, like the big names, and it seems quite reliable too... but there's some crazy in there, beneath the surface. Like a star executive for a successful company, who just so happens to enjoy BASE jumping and big wave surfing as ways to blow off steam.

I need more time with it, but so far it's the best car of its type since the F1. However, unlike the McLaren, you can take the top off and cruise around in comfort.
Edited by Magick Man - 7/31/13 at 10:24pm
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According to this page, the 2008 CCXR Special Edition did 9.66s @ 154 MPH
http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?car_id=370

But on this page a 2007 CCXR did 10.9s @ 131 MPH
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/koenigsegg_ccxr.html

And on this page a 2010 CCXR Trevita did 10s @ 152 MPH
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/performance/2010/1370045/koenigsegg_ccxr_trevita.html

Other times listed here...
http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=mph250

You could use two guns, one triggered at the 1/4 mile mark, and the other at a line 60 feet earlier. That would get you the average.
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A most fascinating car.....

 

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Why does it have two cockpits? Is the left side a passenger seat? That video was fascinating for two reasons, one - that car is really, really cool; and two - it shows how much real engineering is done when these cars are designed. They aren't just put together by greasemonkeys - there is serious analysis done before anyone picks up a wrench.
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Why does it have two cockpits? Is the left side a passenger seat? That video was fascinating for two reasons, one - that car is really, really cool; and two - it shows how much real engineering is done when these cars are designed. They aren't just put together by greasemonkeys - there is serious analysis done before anyone picks up a wrench.

 

That's a good question, the dual cockpit. I could see in a rally car, where they have a navigator, the need for the second seat. Unless in the race both drivers had to be in the car the whole time? 

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I was thinking maybe it was because of whatever racing class they were in. Maybe single-seaters aren't allowed? I would bet they are ballasting the other side to make the weight distribution even when the driver is in the car - or maybe the suspension is configured slightly differently from one side to the other. 200 pounds is a lot of weight in a car like that!
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A most fascinating car.....


Oooo, that's sweet. smily_headphones1.gif



Alfa has, very quietly, announced to their dealers that plans for a special edition of the 4C with a manual gearbox hve been shelved. mad.gif Why Alfa?!? Why hast thou forsaken me?!?

Oh, and the Falcon F7? It's here. biggrin.gif
Edited by Magick Man - 8/1/13 at 11:42am
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Oh, and the Falcon F7? It's here. biggrin.gif

Then where are the pics?

 

 

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Then where are the pics?

 

 

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Ditto on this; I'm waiting on the edge of my seat!

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Ditto on this; I'm waiting on the edge of my seat!


Not to be a drain here, but I'm not. That car makes the Abyss look prettyeek.gif

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Then where are the pics?

 

 

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Ditto on this; I'm waiting on the edge of my seat!

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Alfa has, very quietly, announced to their dealers that plans for a special edition of the 4C with a manual gearbox hve been shelved. mad.gif Why Alfa?!? Why hast thou forsaken me?!?

 

frown.gif ohh well I will still get a second hand one, when you can get one for pennies biggrin.gif

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I blame the lack of powertrain options in most new cars on the various federal regulations. The car manufacturers have to get every combination of engine and transmission tested for emissions, safety, crashes, efficiency, etc, etc - and on low volume cars it's simply not worth it. If they only offered a stick, none of the wannabe playboys, gangsters & rock stars could even drive the car, so they take the safer route and build the two pedal version.

Magick: Have you ever thought about going on a world tour of supercar factories? I think that would be cool - seeing the factories for Ferraris, Lambos, Maserati, Pagani, Aston, Porsche, Audi, Koenigsegg, McLaren, AMG, Bugatti, etc biggrin.gif
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Just got back not long ago and sh*t, I'm bushed, it's been a really long day. Very fun, but extremely hard on an old fart like me. BTW, Wolverine was very good, we liked it alot.
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Then where are the pics?
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Ditto on this; I'm waiting on the edge of my seat!


blink.gif Seriously? This is the car you're waiting on the edge of your seat for?


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The way it drives is like... a GT-R and Mac F1, and Corvette had a bastard love child. Oh wait, that's 3 people, isn't it? Well whatever, it's good. It's very, very good. It has basic throttle-control TC that can be switched off, but no ESC, not even airbags, there's no other safety gear in this car except seat belts (and a pair of extra harnesses) and rollcage. All in all, it's very pure and clean with minimal fidgety buttons and switches. Fit and finish is good>excellent, given its class, but with that handmade feel (doesn't give off a strong kit car vibe). However, there are things they got wrong:

I asked for black int, I got orange and black. That's the most serious, because I wanted it to be basic in case I ever decided to paint it another color.
They gave me CF valve covers and manifold, I asked for aluminum. But, that was only due to price of the CF option ($1500), so that's really a free upgrade.
The tranny temp gauge didn't work. WTH? The cable was disconnected from the sensor. Really? (Okay, maybe this is the most serious.)
I ordered carbon barreled HRE wheels, got the stock Forgelines. They're nice, but not $20k nice, they're sending me the correct ones and I'm going to buy the Forgelines for track use.
It has the basic stereo when I requested it to be deleted. I don't like audio in cars like these, it's a distraction and can detract from the engine sound.
No printed manual, just a DVD with all the schematics, specs, and testing data. That's all good to have, but I like getting a big book.

It's not something they did wrong, but the suspension setup (by Penske) requires a ME degree from MIT to figure out. There are literally >10000 damping combinations. eek.gif And it must have been set on the hardest one, because it didn't have any give at all. My guys are pretty good, though, they sorted it all out and even taught me how to adjust it. We got the basic track and street presets done, and that's generally fine with me for now. Set softer it's pretty darned comfortable, not MP4 standard, but it beats a GT-R or C6 vette, it handles small>moderate bumps like a champ. Seats are nice with good support and hold you in well.

I didn't get to drive it very long before dark, but it's a beast. The electric-asst R&P steering is fantastic, it has a very analog, direct feel with a tight turn radius from L-to-L. And chassis balance is neutral to slight understeer, but nothing that can't be washed out with a little power. In fact, making it misbehave isn't hard at all, but mechanically it wants to grip and stay true (tons of grip). The throttle response is telepathic, and that's the only way it is, there are no options for that. It's balls-out crazy as standard and it makes no excuses for it. It's like "hey, I'm a racecar, if you didn't want that you should have bought a Gallardo", the same as the F1, actually (we can tune some of that out with a few presets, programmable ECU). No, out of the box this car isn't for tourists, or porky well-to-do CEOs who want a go-fast car for the weekends. If you don't pay attention, it'll bite your hand and spit back your fingers. That's really admirable and I love that. However, the clutch isn't heavy, it's pretty light really, as far as things like this go. The Tremec 6-spd is great, as usual, and the rear ratio is pretty short (3.91), with a redline shift from 1>2 @45mph. It's easily a 3s car to 60 with a good launch and shift, 10s in the quarter. Early opinion is, I very much like it, but it would probably intimidate the hell out of all but hardcore drivers, because there are few compromises to accommodate chuckleheads who just want an expensive car to drive around town. This is Falcon's greatest achievement, and potentially their downfall. It's too much of a handful for rich, stupid people.
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Not to be a drain here, but I'm not. That car makes the Abyss look pretty:eek:

Shut yo mouth! tongue.gif It does look better in person. But, if you, say, hate the look of the GTR or LFA, then you likely wouldn't dig the F7 either. All that carbon fiber is impressive, however, and despite that it manages to look understated, compared to a Ferrari or Lambo, and that's not really a bad thing, to me.
Edited by Magick Man - 8/2/13 at 1:07am
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