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All the variants of the 60s Ferraris just confuse the heck out of me. I guess I'll never be a true collector of anything - the nuances of the variants in collectible items never really interested me other than as general interest. I guess I would be more of a "type" collector. Of course, that's easy to say when you entire collection consists of exactly nothing! tongue.gif
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Well, Ferraris of that era run in two categories; those built to race and those built for show (the GTs), the former are much more valuable and collectible than the latter. With the racing Fezzas condition is important, but where they raced and how well they did is key. In non-racers the two main factors are condition and previous ownership. Rarity is odd with them, the Ellena I'm looking at is one of only 50 ever made with less than 40 still around, yet it's worth 1/20th the value of a same-year TdF, despite there being almost twice as many TdFs. The Lusso is in the same boat, being worth far less than its contemporaries, despite it being just as rare and more attractive (IMO). The California is the outlier with three main things going for it; the name (it sounded exotic), performance (it was light and fast), and Ferris Bueller.

Speaking of the Lusso, the one I'm looking at:



I'm afraid to go myself, I might get lost in the showroom and never be seen again. redface.gif
Edited by Magick Man - 7/2/13 at 12:20am
post #3588 of 9498
I read somewhere that the Ferris Buehler car was a fiberglass-bodied replica? That certainly makes sense considering what they did to it!

It boggles my mind to think about the low production numbers of these cars. Quite frankly, I would expect anything that is 50+ years old and less than 50 copies are available to worth much more. It seems like these cars are either under priced (the cars you are looking at), or outrageously, stratospherically priced (the James Coburn cars).
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I read somewhere that the Ferris Buehler car was a fiberglass-bodied replica? That certainly makes sense considering what they did to it!

It boggles my mind to think about the low production numbers of these cars. Quite frankly, I would expect anything that is 50+ years old and less than 50 copies are available to worth much more. It seems like these cars are either under priced (the cars you are looking at), or outrageously, stratospherically priced (the James Coburn cars).

Yeah, the Ferris car was a Mazda with a California body kit. smily_headphones1.gif They couldn't afford the insurance necessary to use the real thing, even back then. With values, it's both, the Cali, GTO, and TdF are all overpriced, but the other models are undervalued too. They're used as billionaire "chits" to mark where they are financially, and as a hedge vs inflation, since these cars are virtually immune to devaluation. In the the collectors' world, these are the gold standard, along with certain Mercs, Bugattis, and Duesies. Since there are far more billionaires than there are uber-rare Ferraris, when one goes up for sale the price increases ~15-20%.

There have been some changes with the Ellena, Boano, and other less prominent 250GTs, but they're still incredible bargains. A nice Ellena runs ~$300k, a Boano is 400k, and a Lusso is 700k. Right now we're scrambling to get first rate examples before the markets wake up to this, and those double or triple overnight. The same goes for the 410/400 Superamericas, to an extent, but they've already popped over $2M for cond. 1 examples and are climbing fast. Any "off" Ferrari made before 1970 is a very wise investment right now.
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Hey Magick, can I ask something about the NSX? Did you buy it when it was brand new back then? How many kilometers does yours have? Is it reliable? Is it actually really cheap to run? I'm just curious, after reading a bit on the carbeerchug.gif

post #3591 of 9498
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Nope, I bought it last year and it has a little over 90k km. It's been extremely reliable, I've not had to do anything but change the oil so far. It's one of my favorite DDs and I drive it more than just about any other. Wait a second, we had to replace an O2 sensor after I got it, but that's it.
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However, your NSX engine is pretty far from stock. Of course, the good news is that the stock engine is still a Honda VTEC V6 - one of the most reliable engines in the world.
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Nope, I bought it last year and it has a little over 90k km. It's been extremely reliable, I've not had to do anything but change the oil so far. It's one of my favorite DDs and I drive it more than just about any other. Wait a second, we had to replace an O2 sensor after I got it, but that's it.

So its reliable, fast and handles well.....  All I need to do now is move to another country live there a year and import one  (when I turn 25 of course) 

 

 

 

Sigh.......... not going to happen........


Edited by veyrongatti - 7/3/13 at 12:35am
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However, your NSX engine is pretty far from stock. Of course, the good news is that the stock engine is still a Honda VTEC V6 - one of the most reliable engines in the world.

True that. It's a testament to the design and build quality of those VTEC 6s that they can put up with that type of punishment with so much grace, often it's making more than 2x the amount of horsepower it was ever intended to produce (I've ran it close to 700, at times). I'd rather have this car than the new NSX coming out, that's for damned sure.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-/330948776715#ht_62234wt_1168

Oh... my... blink.gif


*bid* *bid*

That is a really cool looking car....hope you end up with it!

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That is a really cool looking car....hope you end up with it!

I already popped it up from 19k to 26. Going price for one in that condition, if you can find it, is ~45,000 (since it's a cond 4 and doesn't have the original engine, it's from an E30). So we'll see, I'm willing to go to current market value. I love the roofline and the body is as straight as an arrow with tight panel gaps. Another 10k in it and it would be like new, once I remove all that stupid simulated carbon fiber nonsense. rolleyes.gif

AppleMark
Edited by Magick Man - 7/3/13 at 11:51am
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I already popped it up from 19k to 26. Going price for one in that condition, if you can find it, is ~45,000 (since it's a cond 4 and doesn't have the original engine, it's from an E30). So we'll see, I'm willing to go to current market value. I love the roofline and the body is as straight as an arrow with tight panel gaps. Another 10k in it and it would be like new, once I remove all that stupid simulated carbon fiber nonsense. rolleyes.gif

AppleMark

Great car! The interior definitely needs some work. The seats, headliner & carpets look ok, but the dash, steering column and other plastic bits are not so good. Looks like he spent all his money on the wheels, engine and the paint job! I also find it kind of curious that you go to all that trouble to put in a shiny new motor, but you still have the old yellow radiator overflow bottle?? rolleyes.gif
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I again saw the Tesla S on my normal drive home, and AGAIN he was at the head of a long line of traffic, going 50 MPH on a 70 MPH highway for absolutely no reason. I saw a motorhome pull into the fast lane and pass him! Why in he11 do you spend $80K on a high performance electric car, then drive it like an old hippy in a '67 VW van?
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I again saw the Tesla S on my normal drive home, and AGAIN he was at the head of a long line of traffic, going 50 MPH on a 70 MPH highway for absolutely no reason. I saw a motorhome pull into the fast lane and pass him! Why in he11 do you spend $80K on a high performance electric car, then drive it like an old hippy in a '67 VW van?


Most likely because you are an old hippie who invested well and can afford a Tesla so you can use your proletariat abusing supercar to impede traffic and thereby "stick it to the MAN" the high tech waybiggrin.gif

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