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Well, that's why I prefaced with "*one* classic exotic car" - I know that neither the Daytona nor anything else from 1970 can compare to a modern supercar - but what else is there that more perfectly defines the classic beauty of the extreme performance European sports car from the 60s & 70s other than the Daytona & Miura?? Maybe an Aston - but I don't think the 60s & 70s Astons can match the beautiful bodywork of the Italians.

Now, the real question is: Are any of the late 60s & early 70s supercars worth driving. I think so - but not in the same way as a modern supercar - but in a way that honors the car for what it represents in history, the influence it had on later cars and to experience the best that brilliant engineering & design in 1970 could produce. That certainly seems worthwhile to me! smily_headphones1.gif

Well, if you want domestic, it's hard to argue with a nice `70 Hemi `cuda or `68 Shelby Mustang. There's also the L88 `67 Stingray and Shelby Cobras and Daytonas, of course, if you have deeper pockets. In Italians, I don't think the 365 GTB/4 is worth regular retail, there's an awful lot of them. At some point the market for them will rebound, but it's not soon. The 275 GTB is a star, and it's rising, look for values on those to double in the next 24 months, now that people are realizing how scarce they truly are (and how gorgeous). Also the "off" 250s, Ellena and Boano models, are becoming more rare, as people chop them to pieces to build Cali, GTO, and TdF knockoffs. mad.gif Hard to go wrong with them, given today's pricing, if you can find one. That's a late-`50s Prancer, on the cheap (comparatively).

So, yeah, 275 GTB of any stripe, preferably alloy, that's what I recommend if you can only have one classic, exotic beauty.

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Yes, I completely agree. I was just worried you might have some illusions about the driving experience.

They can surprise you, though. There's a purity there that really gets to you, the feel, sounds, and smells. It's a visceral experience. Also, don't underestimate what new model tires can do, that's one area that's easily remedied. Get some copies of the original wheels and slap some sticky meats on them, it's a real eye-opener.
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They can surprise you, though. There's a purity there that really gets to you, the feel, sounds, and smells. It's a visceral experience. Also, don't underestimate what new model tires can do, that's one area that's easily remedied. Get some copies of the original wheels and slap some sticky meats on them, it's a real eye-opener.


Preferably a little wider than original. Some vehicles from a way back came with the SOTA skinnnies.

 

There was this XK140 thingy with wires that did not take kindly to new generation stickum. Rather like driving with a harp playing on each corner.

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Well, if you want domestic, it's hard to argue with a nice `70 Hemi `cuda or `68 Shelby Mustang. There's also the L88 `67 Stingray and Shelby Cobras and Daytonas, of course, if you have deeper pockets. In Italians, I don't think the 365 GTB/4 is worth regular retail, there's an awful lot of them. At some point the market for them will rebound, but it's not soon. The 275 GTB is a star, and it's rising, look for values on those to double in the next 24 months, now that people are realizing how scarce they truly are (and how gorgeous). Also the "off" 250s, Ellena and Boano models, are becoming more rare, as people chop them to pieces to build Cali, GTO, and TdF knockoffs. mad.gif Hard to go wrong with them, given today's pricing, if you can find one. That's a late-`50s Prancer, on the cheap (comparatively).

So, yeah, 275 GTB of any stripe, preferably alloy, that's what I recommend if you can only have one classic, exotic beauty.

Steve McQueen owned both a 250 GT Lusso and a 275 GTB/4 - anything good enough for the King of Cool would be good enough for me. BTW, Steve McQueen last lived only a few miles from where I live now - unfortunately, I did not move here until several years after his death.


Edited by billybob_jcv - 6/30/13 at 6:19am
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Steve McQueen owned both a 250 GT Lusso and a 275 GTB/4 - anything good enough for the King of Cool would be good enough for me. BTW, Steve McQueen last lived only a few miles from where I live now - unfortunately, I did not move here until several years after his death.

 

I have trouble picturing him in anything but that green Mustang....biggrin.gif

 

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Steve McQueen owned both a 250 GT Lusso and a 275 GTB/4 - anything good enough for the King of Cool would be good enough for me. BTW, Steve McQueen last lived only a few miles from where I live now - unfortunately, I did not move here until several years after his death.
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I have trouble picturing him in anything but that green Mustang....

Me too, but he was a Ferrari man, loved them above all others, and I can see the attraction. There's an appeal beyond the badging, they have a temperament and personality all their own. Like a beautiful, fiery woman that keeps you spinning around, she's a little crazy and unpredictable, but she's also passionate and alive. Sometimes you want to strangle her, but you love her like no one else. (personal experience, there)

I've been taking detours lately, but I'm now going back to the Italians for the collection. You can appreciate the precision and craftsmanship of the Germans, the cleverness and ingenuity of the Brits, and the durability and raw power of the Americans, but there's nothing in the world like the Italian soul... well, right after I get my `63 Z06 Stingray, I'm gonna beat some people up for this one: wink.gif

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0812-137841

Thinking about your original question billy, I'll also recommend a 246GT/GTS as a lone weekend car, if you don't have to have a V12 Fezza. With some relatively minor tweaks and upgrades, that's a seriously fun ride and gorgeous to boot.
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The Dino has always been one of my favorites - going all the way back to when I was a teen. I do suspect that living long-term with the triple webers would eventually drive someone insane.

In addition to the Ferraris, Steve McQueen also owned a Porsche 911S, a modified Jag and several other cars & trucks - and a couple of tail-dragger stunt planes. However - it is said that he never managed to find a Bullitt Mustang that was right, and so never owned the car most connected to him. And, of course, he had a large motorcycle collection that included a bunch of very valuable old Indians.

Honda paid Steve McQueen $1M to make this 5 minute commercial. Heck, when I was 15, I would have done it for half that - I spent a lot of weekends on a dirt bike popping wheelies and spinning brodies for nothing... tongue.gif


Edited by billybob_jcv - 6/30/13 at 4:52pm
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Top gear season 20 started with...........a lot of hatches......

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Well, It's only been a couple of months since my daughter got her license... And today she got in her first fender bender. frown.gif It's not serious - no one was hurt and the car is driveable. She apparently hit a parked car a couple of blocks away from home. The exact cause seems to be a little uncertain - but the result was bizarre. The vehicle she hit was a large 4-wheel drive with oversize tires. Her right front quarter panel has a good sized dent directly in front of the front wheel. However, the car she hit had NO visible damage except a scuff mark on the rear tire. Apparently she impacted directly against the rubber of the over-sized tire - and did not hit ANY of the sheet metal or plastic on the 4-wheel drive. confused_face_2.gif

Her passenger door won't open - so the front quarter panel must have been shoved back just enough to interfere at the gap.

I'm not sure if I'm going to get the insurance involved - we need to repair the vehicle, but I really don't want to have my already high insurance get higher. On the other hand, if this is $2500 worth of damage (as I suspect) - then I think we might have no choice - unless I want to just take a crowbar to the door gap so the door will open and call it done. redface.gif FML!!

PS - my daughter is (of course) devastated - a complete mess of teen girl sobbing & tears.
Edited by billybob_jcv - 7/1/13 at 8:28pm
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Just finished watching Top Gear and it was a great episode. The yacht was definitely the highlight.
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Just finished watching Top Gear and it was a great episode. The yacht was definitely the highlight.

Felt really bad for James May...... 

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Well, It's only been a couple of months since my daughter got her license... And today she got in her first fender bender. frown.gif It's not serious - no one was hurt and the car is driveable. She apparently hit a parked car a couple of blocks away from home. The exact cause seems to be a little uncertain - but the result was bizarre. The vehicle she hit was a large 4-wheel drive with oversize tires. Her right front quarter panel has a good sized dent directly in front of the front wheel. However, the car she hit had NO visible damage except a scuff mark on the rear tire. Apparently she impacted directly against the rubber of the over-sized tire - and did not hit ANY of the sheet metal or plastic on the 4-wheel drive. confused_face_2.gif

Her passenger door won't open - so the front quarter panel must have been shoved back just enough to interfere at the gap.

I'm not sure if I'm going to get the insurance involved - we need to repair the vehicle, but I really don't want to have my already high insurance get higher. On the other hand, if this is $2500 worth of damage (as I suspect) - then I think we might have no choice - unless I want to just take a crowbar to the door gap so the door will open and call it done. redface.gif FML!!

PS - my daughter is (of course) devastated - a complete mess of teen girl sobbing & tears.

As long as she's fine. FML isn't really neccessary until everything is gone wink.gif Crashing a car is just a first world problem...... 

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Well, It's only been a couple of months since my daughter got her license... And today she got in her first fender bender. frown.gif It's not serious - no one was hurt and the car is driveable. She apparently hit a parked car a couple of blocks away from home. The exact cause seems to be a little uncertain - but the result was bizarre. The vehicle she hit was a large 4-wheel drive with oversize tires. Her right front quarter panel has a good sized dent directly in front of the front wheel. However, the car she hit had NO visible damage except a scuff mark on the rear tire. Apparently she impacted directly against the rubber of the over-sized tire - and did not hit ANY of the sheet metal or plastic on the 4-wheel drive. confused_face_2.gif

Her passenger door won't open - so the front quarter panel must have been shoved back just enough to interfere at the gap.

I'm not sure if I'm going to get the insurance involved - we need to repair the vehicle, but I really don't want to have my already high insurance get higher. On the other hand, if this is $2500 worth of damage (as I suspect) - then I think we might have no choice - unless I want to just take a crowbar to the door gap so the door will open and call it done. redface.gif FML!!

PS - my daughter is (of course) devastated - a complete mess of teen girl sobbing & tears.

Sorry to hear that. frown.gif At least she's okay and wasn't hurt (I assume). Who is your insurance with? Some have first time accident forgiveness, or something like that.


My minion was cruising around the Net and found this `62 Ferrari 250 GT S2 cabriolet, A-1 condition, 30k miles, all numbers matching, no major restoration to the body (never wrecked):





It looks like a LWB California because, well, except for the fact it has more options, they're almost the same car. They built 210 of them, but due to them being wrecked and cannibalized over the years (back to the issue I mentioned previously about how some unscrupulous people are destroying other 250s to make fake Calis and TdFs), only ~100 remain. I've reached out to the SCCA and Ferrari owners club members to encourage them to hunt down and preserve these "lesser" Ferraris, in an attempt to keep them from becoming extinct. To put my money where my mouth is, I've made an offer for the one above and I'm looking at a `63 Lusso and a `58 Ellena, both from the same seller in NY.
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Just finished watching Top Gear and it was a great episode. The yacht was definitely the highlight.


The hot hatch comparison was good, too bad we in the States can only get the Ford, as Renault and Peugeot are dead to us.
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The Peugeot looked really good and we can probably have it here for under 30k. I used to have a 406 coupe and loved it to bits. Very idiosyncratic French car but worth it.
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