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post #2686 of 9498
Magick: Here's a car that could use some love...

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=17334113&listingRecNum=15&criteria=prMx%3D12000%26sf1Dir%3DASC%26prMn%3D0%26stkTyp%3DU%26rd%3D50%26mlgId%3D28861%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-pseudoPrice-mlgId-transTypeId%26zc%3D93004%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D0-0-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26transTypeId%3D28113%26transTypeId%3D28114%26transTypeId%3D28115%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national&listType=3
post #2687 of 9498
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

The smell of baby poop & puke is not an aphrodisiac...

I think we missed the worst of that, thank God. biggrin.gif

Not so sure about that one, it's a pretty good distance away.
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Is the Fairlady a 2.0 or 2.4? I seem to recall the 2.0 is more rare and since the engine was not sold in the US, finding parts is a bi-atch.

He finally got back with me, and it has neither, it's a RB25DET, a Nissan 2.5L turbo I6, they were used a great deal in Skylines. The guy sold the original 2L when money was tight and went with the newer when he could. He isn't a collector, he just really likes the old Nissans. It's very clean and this engine only has 15k miles on it. I like it alot. He was asking 18k but I offered 16 and he took it, so he's dropping it off tomorrow morning.

post #2688 of 9498
Cool! That makes sense that it would have a Skyline motor in it - it's a driver's car, not a collector's car. You have probably already done the google, but for the rest of you lazy louts, according to Wikipedia...

The 2.5 L RB25 engine was produced in four forms:
  • RB25DE - NON-TURBO twin-cam 140 kW/190 PS (180 - 200 hp ) @ 6000 rpm, 255 N·m (26.0 kgf·m) @ 4000 rpm)
  • RB25DET - twin-cam TURBO (T3 Turbo) (245 to 250 hp and 319 N·m)
  • NEO RB25DE- NON-TURBO twin-cam 147 kW/200 PS @ 6000 rpm, 255 N·m (26.0 kgf·m) @ 4000 rpm)
  • NEO RB25DET - twin-cam TURBO (206 kW (280 PS) @ 6400 rpm, 362 N·m (37.0 kgf·m) @ 3200 rpm)

Put 250 hp in a 240z, and that sucker will go like a scalded cat. I'm also betting he has some goodies in the suspension. Z-car owners LOVE to tinker with their babies, and there are Z-Z-ZILLIONS (pun intended) of aftermarket parts for any aspect of the vehicle. The old Datsuns were like legos - the parts are easy to swap around.
post #2689 of 9498
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

He finally got back with me, and it has neither, it's a RB25DET, a Nissan 2.5L turbo I6, they were used a great deal in Skylines. The guy sold the original 2L when money was tight and went with the newer when he could. He isn't a collector, he just really likes the old Nissans. It's very clean and this engine only has 15k miles on it. I like it alot. He was asking 18k but I offered 16 and he took it, so he's dropping it off tomorrow morning.


That looks like a clean example but I really don't like the wheels, the front bumper and the paint colour. I'm sure you will change parts but I would really like to see a 240Z with flared wheel arches and Watanabe 8 Spoke Wheels.
Shame though that it doesn't have the original L24 engine. The L24 just sings when it is well tuned.

Oh yeah btw, I read somewhere recently that the XJ220 can only be serviced in England by Don Law Racing. Is your mechanic up for the job?
post #2690 of 9498
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Yeah, it has larger coils and the dampers are adjustable, locking LSD and larger Wilwoods. He said it produces 290 at the crank, which is quite a lot for a car that light. It's really a lot of bang for the buck, this would be a peach of a car for you, billy. It or the E28. Under $20k and great performance, while not eating you alive at the pump. Plus they're both relatively simple to maintain and fix with outstanding part availability.




There are cars that I've bought/tuned that are stupid. The Aventador and Ford GT, ridiculous. They're fun to drive but you never get to take them to their limits, you'd likely die first. The GT is a brute that can spin the rear tires in every gear, at any speed. While the big Lambo, in the most aggressive map (1425bhp), isn't suitable for driving anywhere, if you have a lead foot. We have 4 basic maps set on a toggle; insanity > nuts > fast > valet. Each chops the power by ~1/3; 1425, 940, 650 (pretty close to stock), and 450. Around town I use the 3rd, it's easy on the engine and fuel (20MPG), and I can still scoot from a light if I want. The 2nd is great for peeling the paint off of just about anything on the road. Hayabusa? Sayonara! At the top of the powerband you feel like there should be a wookie howling in your ear. In the words of noted thespian and entertainer MC Hammer, you can't touch this.

So what's left? Indeed, what else is left? A lot, apparently. I liked the multi-map system so much, we made sure to add the same functionality when we replaced the damaged system in the F40, even added TC, though it's off by default. Our final tune is (when are they ever really "final"?) 760 > 570 > 375. We can get more out of the larger Garretts, up to 33.6psi, but what's the point? That would just blow the gaskets every other run and warp valves (@$140 a pop). @763bhp (665whp) it goes like stink, anyway. Without stability control or ABS there's no help, it's an extremely visceral experience. I love it. You can feel how the suspension and brake upgrades made a difference, we have it set fairly tight and it's already a rather rigid chassis, so it goes where you point it. Though it's still a little over neutral into oversteer, which is where I like it.

Turbo lag? Yeah, there's a good deal of that, but that's what downshifting is for. wink.gif It's a good thing to be mindful when you're giving it the beans at full load. Although you can feel some boost in the middle of the rev range, it doesn't come into its own until @5k RPMs. Then it's like igniting a Saturn 5 rocket up your bottom. It's an intense drive.
post #2691 of 9498
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

That looks like a clean example but I really don't like the wheels, the front bumper and the paint colour. I'm sure you will change parts but I would really like to see a 240Z with flared wheel arches and Watanabe 8 Spoke Wheels.
Shame though that it doesn't have the original L24 engine. The L24 just sings when it is well tuned.

Oh yeah btw, I read somewhere recently that the XJ220 can only be serviced in England by Don Law Racing. Is your mechanic up for the job?

I really like the color and bumpers, they do it for me. That orange is like the McLaren F1 "papaya yellow), which I've always been fond of. This car never had the L24, as I said it came with the SOHC 2.0L (L20A), it's a Japanese Fairlady import not a US 240 (note the RHD position).

I'm thinking I'll set the mirrors forward to where they were originally, I prefer the way that looks, even if they are more functional (and adjustable) right now.
Edited by Magick Man - 4/16/13 at 12:43am
post #2692 of 9498
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

I really like the color and bumpers, they do it for me. That orange is like the McLaren F1 "papaya yellow), which I've always been fond of. This car never had the L24, as I said it came with the SOHC 2.0L (L20A), it's a Japanese Fairlady import not a US 240 (note the RHD position).

I'm thinking I'll set the mirrors forward to where they were originally, I prefer the way that looks, even if they are more functional (and adjustable) right now.

Ooooh, I thought it was yellow. I will let orange pass though. It's not the best colour for a 240Z IMO but it's passable.

I thought that all 240Z from any country came with the L24 engine?
Or was it the S30 model that came with the L24?

After a bit of searching, it turns out that the export 240Z had the L24 engine where as the Japanese only "Fairlady Z" came with the L20 engine.
I wonder if the smaller engine is more preferrable in Japan when it was launched there?
But anyway it doesn't really matter since you have an RB25 inside it.
I wonder how much that car weighs with that engine swap.

Oh yeah, I approve the original mirrors on the fender. It looks prettier that way.
Edited by VortexBlast - 4/16/13 at 2:23am
post #2693 of 9498
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post


I really like the color and bumpers, they do it for me. That orange is like the McLaren F1 "papaya yellow), which I've always been fond of. This car never had the L24, as I said it came with the SOHC 2.0L (L20A), it's a Japanese Fairlady import not a US 240 (note the RHD position).

I'm thinking I'll set the mirrors forward to where they were originally, I prefer the way that looks, even if they are more functional (and adjustable) right now.

Why not put an L28 in it tongue.gif Im sorry I read too much manga. 

post #2694 of 9498
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Originally Posted by veyrongatti View Post

Why not put an L28 in it tongue.gif
 Im sorry I read too much manga. 

Don't forget to Twin Turbo it and do a lot of nasty things on it so that it pushes 600HP from a car that weighs as little as 1100kg. Twin Turbo carburetor for the win! And also, midnight blue paint, flared wheel arches, duck tail spoiler and black 8 spoke Watanabe wheels is a must. biggrin.gif
I always wanted to see an "Akuma no Z" S30 in real life. I believe I saw one a long time ago but it was at night and I could only see its headlights.
BTW, the S30 is my dream car believe it or not.
post #2695 of 9498

Why not go end game....

 

post #2696 of 9498
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post


Don't forget to Twin Turbo it and do a lot of nasty things on it so that it pushes 600HP from a car that weighs as little as 1100kg. Twin Turbo carburetor for the win! And also, midnight blue paint, flared wheel arches, duck tail spoiler and black 8 spoke Watanabe wheels is a must. biggrin.gif
I always wanted to see an "Akuma no Z" S30 in real life. I believe I saw one a long time ago but it was at night and I could only see its headlights.
BTW, the S30 is my dream car believe it or not.

Yes and stroke the engine out to 3.1 litres wink.gif

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post #2698 of 9498
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

Why not go end game....




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Originally Posted by veyrongatti View Post

Why not put an L28 in it tongue.gif
 Im sorry I read too much manga. 

Because it has a perfectly good engine in it now, a very nice one, in fact.
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

Ooooh, I thought it was yellow. I will let orange pass though. It's not the best colour for a 240Z IMO but it's passable.

I thought that all 240Z from any country came with the L24 engine?
Or was it the S30 model that came with the L24?

After a bit of searching, it turns out that the export 240Z had the L24 engine where as the Japanese only "Fairlady Z" came with the L20 engine.
I wonder if the smaller engine is more preferrable in Japan when it was launched there?
But anyway it doesn't really matter since you have an RB25 inside it.
I wonder how much that car weighs with that engine swap.

Oh yeah, I approve the original mirrors on the fender. It looks prettier that way.

The L20 is preferable because it's rare, has a better sound, and can rev higher. However, it's more complex and bloody expensive to buy parts for. In fact, an intact original L20A (just the engine and heads) is worth more than an entire new 370Z, with all the options.
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post #2700 of 9498
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

The L20 is preferable because it's rare, has a better sound, and can rev higher. However, it's more complex and bloody expensive to buy parts for. In fact, an intact original L20A (just the engine and heads) is worth more than an entire new 370Z, with all the options.

 

Well it kind of is understandable but possibly, the holy grail of all of the Nissan L engines is probably the S20 that powered the "Hakosuka" GT-R, the "Kenmeri" GT-R and the Z432.

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