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post #151 of 7053
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Garage talk!
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Weirdly there's a house near-ish me, it's been for sale for like over a year (and is empty) that has like a 17 car garage, the interior living space is only like 2500sqft too - it's a very odd structure. And yes it was built as one building that one, it isn't a redneck mansion (we got plenty of those around here too).
Hah!
Have you ever considered a "temp" building? Like a large steel structure? Much cheaper than multiple new garages, and you'd have a single garage door to worry about fitting and locking. Would keep your toys safe too (I'm assuming you don't live in a managed sub division or urban area, hence suggesting this - and this is actually a serious suggestion).
Alternately, you could go Ricky Bobby style (this however is not a serious suggestion).
Especially when you factor in the Austin Healey, MG, Jaguar(s), Shaguar(s), VW, Ferrari, Bentley, Lincoln, and Lotus that the Aston Martin needs to keep it company, you know, so it doesn't get sad.
And on and on...

Anyhow, I've given this some thought for a while, during planning I thought 4 spaces would be plenty, but now I realize that there are some other vehicles I'd like to have (including a 4WD truck or Jeep). I'd use limestone for a detached building, that matches the existing garage. (Which is two separate units, connected by an entryway, with two slots each.) I own 60 yds off to the right of this picture that are mostly clear, that would be the logical location. If I did do this, the question would be "how big?".

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Maybe a drive-in, shop-type, garage. Smaller than this, which is 2600 sq/ft blink.gif, but similar in layout.

post #152 of 7053
I don't like the "millions of doors" approach - have you seen the original Tomb Raider, or Iron Man? That style garage makes more sense imho - less heat loss, more secure, etc, just don't crash your cars into each other (that's a BAD insurance phone call to make - expect gails of laughter).

Additionally some considerations:

- Those right angle style things (like the first picture) majorly suck. Especially if you get ice/snow (if you had under-heating it might not be so terrible). Or have long cars/vehicles or if they have a lot of off-tracking. I wouldn't build one like that (I've never been in a garage/shop with this arrangement that isn't a nightmare at some point - I should note that most of your cars are TINY compared to my frame of reference, so take that into account).

- If you don't have height requirements on the building, I'd go with a large bay garage door - like 12-14ft opening (so you can take real trucks in cool.gif), maybe double-wide too (again, real trucks), again just don't crash into your cars (tongue.gif).

Some internal goodies I'd add:

- Some sort of facility to wash/clean the cars while they're garaged.
- Heating (if you live somewhere that freezes), or cooling (if you live somewhere that roasts, and you intend to work in your garage as a shop (but if you're building a real toy-shop, I'd just convert the house's attached garage (which is likely heated and cooled) for workshop purpose unless you're building a whole machine shop in which case idk). This doesn't have to be tapped from the main HVAC - just having a dragon or chiller that you can roll out is probably fine.
- Good lighting.
post #153 of 7053
I suspect the major issue with a single door is turning radius. The building has to be wide enough to allow you to pull the cars in out of their slots, and that space is all dead floor space.
post #154 of 7053
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No, definitely not multiple doors, I'd want double doors in the front and do rows inside. I'm thinking maybe even a two story garage, with the second floor as storage. Kill two birds with one stone.

Been a busy beaver and got two spot estimates and I'm looking at the $80k ballpark for 2100 sq/ft. Two-floor metal structure with a stone exterior, and a floor space of 60'x25'. The second floor would actually be a loft and cover 600 sq/ft, a good amount for storage, leaving most of the first floor uncovered all the way to the upper ceiling (20').
Edited by Magick Man - 9/10/12 at 4:53pm
post #155 of 7053
Sounds like an awesome shop. Take pics or post renders lol.

Would only fit like four trucks though - needs more bigger!
Edited by obobskivich - 9/10/12 at 1:05pm
post #156 of 7053

Weird... on one hand I feel like I just found this thread.  OTOH, I get the strangest feeling that I've been here before.  It's like deja vu - but with a lot of doubt thrown in.

post #157 of 7053
Haha.

The movie imagery you're mixing there is also great.
post #158 of 7053
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

No, definitely not multiple doors, I'd want double doors in the front and do rows inside. I'm thinking maybe even a two story garage, with the second floor as storage. Kill two birds with one stone.
Been a busy beaver and got two spot estimates and I'm looking at the $80k ballpark for 2100 sq/ft. Two floor metal structure with a stone exterior, with a main level that's 60'x25'. The second floor would actually be a loft and cover 600 sq/ft, a good amount for storage, leaving most of the first floor uncovered all the way to the upper ceiling (20').

Too bad you gave your wife's Neon away - you could have mounted it on the top of the garage as a weathervane!
post #159 of 7053
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The second floor would actually be a loft and cover 600 sq/ft, a good amount for storage,

 

Or a headphone listening area... wink.gif 

post #160 of 7053
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Sounds like an awesome shop. Take pics or post renders lol.
Would only fit like four trucks though - needs more bigger!

At most, I'd have one "truck", I just want a Wrangler for off-road stuff and really bad weather. I'm getting the guy from the company that built my house to send over a real quote and some layout ideas. I have more room front-to-back, so I'm thinking of going 40'x80'. That's room for like 12-15 cars. eek.gif Then I have to take it to the neighborhood planning board. *wank wank* Legally, they really can't stop me from having it built, but when I bought the property I had to sign a contract saying I'd discuss all major changes with them. I have no doubt they'll find something to cry over, luckily the cool elderly neighbor is on the board. Otherwise the board could delay me, pending arbitration. The good news is, since I live in the county and not the city, I don't have to get zoning approval, but the structure does have to meet state code. Tennessee is awesome. smily_headphones1.gif
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Too bad you gave your wife's Neon away - you could have mounted it on the top of the garage as a weathervane!

It was, literally, falling apart. While we were dating, her muffler, and a good portion of her exhaust system, fell off 200' from my driveway. In the middle of the night. During a thunderstorm. It leaked a quart of oil /wk and the transmission often got stuck in park, and you had to rock the car back and forth to get it in gear. The body had rusted through in at least half a dozen places, the heater didn't work, you could smell gas fumes while you were driving, and the interior looked like a pair of tigers had fought to the death inside the vehicle. I have no idea how that thing ran, or even physically held together. It was an ugly hunk of junk that was an offense to all things vehicular. But, she was a poor student whose only income was a part-time job at the college, so she couldn't afford to get something else. We'd been seeing each other for almost 6 months and I was afraid of her getting killed in the POS, so I broke one of my cardinal rules (the one about not buying the women I dated expensive things) and got her a car, an `04 Accord (which we traded not too long ago for her new Beetle). The Neon was a much hated thing, she even gave it the finger when the American Red Cross people arrived and towed it off. hahaha So, keeping it around? That wasn't gonna happen. biggrin.gif

Oh, check this. Ever see a car that's amazingly cool and you want it, but there's no logical reason in the world to buy it?



Tell me that's not wicked cool? The maintenance for the thing would probably be outrageous, but damn I love its looks. $25k for a Rolls! *drool*
Edited by Magick Man - 9/11/12 at 6:17am
post #161 of 7053
I think that's my favorite era for Rolls - big and ostentatious. I could definitely picture myself rolling down a beach street in Miami lighting cigars with $100 bills and asking one of the 3 sweeties with me to mix me another drink from the built-in bar.
post #162 of 7053
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

At most, I'd have one "truck", I just want a Wrangler for off-road stuff and really bad weather. I'm getting the guy from the company that built my house to send over a real quote and some layout ideas. I have more room front-to-back, so I'm thinking of going 40'x80'. That's room for like 12-15 cars. eek.gif Then I have to take it to the neighborhood planning board. *wank wank* Legally, they really can't stop me from having it built, but when I bought the property I had to sign a contract saying I'd discuss all major changes with them. I have no doubt they'll find something to cry over, luckily the cool elderly neighbor is on the board. Otherwise the board could delay me, pending arbitration. The good news is, since I live in the county and not the city, I don't have to get zoning approval, but the structure does have to meet state code. Tennessee is awesome. smily_headphones1.gif

Gotta love HOAs. This is why I would buy "ranch land" and you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't attract federal attention (e.g. no HUGE explosions).

Regarding trucks - you're killing me smalls! Actually I just went to look at a big truck the other day, it was appropriately named "Tonka." Tonka started life as an F-650 and was converted into a monstertruck (with "Tonka" written on it), stacks through the bed, huge lift, custom exhaust and bumpers, etc. The downside is that all of this was done to Tonka by an owner, and not a real customizer, so it had various issues like turning radius, handling, braking, etc. But the idea of an 11' tall (I kid you not) truck certainly is cool beans - for anyone who isn't quite sure what I'm talking about, these kinds of trucks:
(I have no idea where this image is from, but the guy gives you some scale idea - Tonka was not quite that large but I had to "hop" to see inside it, and I'm 6' 3" - it's not a truck unless you gotta climb into it cool.gif).

Forget the Wrangler EZ-Roll, get a real truck. evil_smiley.gif

In bad weather the best vehicles I've ever driven are honestly not compact SUVs (stuff like the Wrangler and Samurai are horrible on ice), they're either very large cars/wagons, or large van/SUV type rigs with traction control (wheel slip is the issue, not torque delivery).

Also the whole "it'll hold 20 cars" - how big are the cars we're talking about? My car is 23' long and it was the baby in my extended family until gas prices went SKY HIGH and 6mpg got real.
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It was, literally, falling apart. While we were dating, her muffler, and a good portion of her exhaust system, fell off 200' from my driveway. In the middle of the night. During a thunderstorm. It leaked a quart of oil /wk and the transmission often got stuck in park, and you had to rock the car back and forth to get it in gear. The body had rusted through in at least half a dozen places, the heater didn't work, you could smell gas fumes while you were driving, and the interior looked like a pair of tigers had fought to the death inside the vehicle. I have no idea how that thing ran, or even physically held together. It was an ugly hunk of junk that was an offense to all things vehicular. But, she was a poor student whose only income was a part-time job at the college, so she couldn't afford to get something else. We'd been seeing each other for almost 6 months and I was afraid of her getting killed in the POS, so I broke one of my cardinal rules (the one about not buying the women I dated expensive things) and got her a car, an `04 Accord (which we traded not too long ago for her new Beetle). The Neon was a much hated thing, she even gave it the finger when the American Red Cross people arrived and towed it off. hahaha So, keeping it around? That wasn't gonna happen. biggrin.gif

That's actually worse than my first Volvo (which had, ahem, a mere 480,000 miles). Gonna die if you tell me that car had <250k on it too.
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Oh, check this. Ever see a car that's amazingly cool and you want it, but there's no logical reason in the world to buy it?

Tell me that's not wicked cool? The maintenance for the thing would probably be outrageous, but damn I love its looks. $25k for a Rolls! *drool*

I've actually never gotten straight talk on maintenance for a Rolls, most of my extreme gear-head/mechanic buddies (and myself) will split along two lines:

- Rolls-Royce makes very expensive cars that have no resale value (we'll get to that), so obviously they have a flaw. They are also British cars, and British cars suck.

or

- Rolls-Royce makes some of the best aviation and marine engines in the world, and had for nearly a century, so there's no way their automotive engines can be *that* bad, but cosmetic/bodywork is probably hilariously expensive.


Regarding the $25k thing - that's actually pretty normal. Even in good shape! They just don't hold their quarter-million dollar pricetag worth anything. The depreciation is downright nutty. I don't know why this is, but it is not at all out of the question to expect a 1970s, 1980s, or even early 1990s Rolls-Royce sedan for $10,000-$20,000 with under 50k and pristine cosmetics. The Corniche that you pictured is a little bit higher end and (because?) they're much rarer (afiak every single production run is a numbered and limited affair, and they tend to cost more than the sedans from the factory). But $25,000 does not really sound insane for that car. Also you have all sorts of uses for it, including:

- Showing up the neighbors (seriously if you get the Aston, the M5, the Rolls, the MG, and that other one you were looking at, and the F-650, put them all out in front of your place like Ricky Bobby at least once - just to show everyone how you do)
- Impressing the ladies (or just your lady; heck give her the RR, it's not only an automatic, it's probably a very smooth automatic - I know they ride very, very well (nothing rides like a Lincoln, and Rolls-Royce is even better))
- Enjoying a drop-head in the spring/fall
- Making your own rap music video (between that, the Aston, and the M5, you've seriously got the set of like every rap video made in the last five years)
- Parade marshaling
- And generally being a boss (what billybob was talking about)

I'm not saying buy it, I'm just saying it has a plethora of uses. biggrin.gif

Oh I should add:

All of the above insane vehicles are not something I would consider reasonable as a daily commuter - get something that does double digit fuel economy at the bare minimum if you gotta drive it 20-30-40 miles one way to work. But since I assume we're well into the realm of "toys" I figure anything is fair game.
Edited by obobskivich - 9/11/12 at 12:55pm
post #163 of 7053
If you are going to shoot a rap video, you need to put some 22" spinners on that Rolls...
post #164 of 7053
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I meant to post this in my thread but it ended up in MFs. redface.gif


I talked with the people at Woo and they made me an offer that's tough to refuse, they'll swap my GES for a stock black WES and I pay the difference, minus some money for my trouble. Otherwise I'm going to be without my amp for a while. That seems good to me. I like the look of the WES, very sexy.



Also, I finally struck a deal with the guy with the HE-60 (4 months of negotiating???), and I think it's fair. I'm giving him $1600 and a set of my modded T50RPs. Also I'm getting the HEV70 (eww), and a fresh set of earpads. I should have the Senns in a few days, can't wait.



The Neon had 150k miles on it, I s*** you not. They are, no doubt, one of the most shoddy, unreliable, ill-conceived pieces of machinery that it has been mankind's misfortune of manufacturing. (Enough M words for ya?)

I'm not a big-truck guy. But I'm a fan of Jeeps, I used to have a CJ back in the day, it was a tough old beast. V8, loud, big mud tires.

The Corniche is starting to get under my skin. It's in California, but the cost of shipping it isn't too bad. It's an `85, certified to be in good working order, has had recent maintenance, and doesn't leak or use oil. Only 48k original miles. If I can work something out with the dealer, I might just get it. Pretty face.



I meant the garage would hold that many "normal" sized cars. wink.gif Also, I don't have the M5 anymore. I traded it for the Carrera S, and I don't regret it for a moment. The only car I truly regret getting rid of is my `07 Caddie CTS-V; it was black, beautiful, and badass. I had a momentary lapse of reason and traded it for the M5, when I should have just kept it. Never had a moment's trouble out of it and they really didn't give me a whole lot on trade, either. I was being stupid.
Edited by Magick Man - 9/11/12 at 4:59pm
post #165 of 7053
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

If you are going to shoot a rap video, you need to put some 22" spinners on that Rolls...

tongue.gif

I'm thinking a nice restoration and using it for slow cruising during the big local street-rod runs (20k+ cars). It would be impressive all fixed up.
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