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The LFA is quite the supercar

Quite true! I forgot about the LFA.
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Okay, I'm calm again. wink.gif

Today the above ground fuel tanks were installed! Up to 250 gallons of Sunoco 260GT and E85R, on tap. smily_headphones1.gif I'm going to get my old Texaco pump setup outside the garage and get a matching white pump to go with it.





Oh, and best Ferrari replica ever!

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This is a pretty interesting video from Motor Trend comparing the LFA with the NSX. It hits a whole bunch of the topics we've recently been discussing in this thread - including the idea that supercars *should* be somewhat flawed... cool.gif
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OK - there must be a story that goes along with the "Ferrari Replica" - let's hear it!
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The problem I have with pretty much all Japanese "supercars" is that they are rarely supercars when they left the factory - someone had to mod them into cars that can run with the elite. And yeah, I know that doesn't really make sense because the 1000 bhp Nissan or Acura is *still* a ton cheaper than the Euro supercars - but it still seems somehow wrong... *shrugs*

True. To make a company analogy, it's like AMD from a few years ago - sure with some tweaking you'd knock a Pentium 4 into the dirt, but out of the box it wasn't gonna happen. Certainly feels less "pure" but I'm still left thinking that Magick is comparing the NSX (which cost what? half a c?) to the McLaren (which costs as much as a house) - both are no doubt good, both are no doubt fun, but we're basically getting back to the ad nauseum "value" discussions that permeate audio boards.
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The LFA is quite the supercar

Aren't they also both more expensive than most McLaren and Ferrari vehicles, and like impossible to buy? Just saying. redface.gif
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Okay, I'm calm again. wink.gif
Today the above ground fuel tanks were installed! Up to 250 gallons of Sunoco 260GT and E85R, on tap. smily_headphones1.gif I'm going to get my old Texaco pump setup outside the garage and get a matching white pump to go with it.

Oh, and best Ferrari replica ever!

Awesome pump, and awesome idea to set it up like that. Are you gonna hook the lights up?
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OK - there must be a story that goes along with the "Ferrari Replica" - let's hear it!

I want to know what it is and how I can get one. It looks cool as hell.
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Aren't they also both more expensive than most McLaren and Ferrari vehicles, and like impossible to buy? Just saying. redface.gif
 

 

Hence the Supercar status biggrin.gif I was lucky enough to sit in one at a Lexus dealer in Vancouver. It's almost impossible to describe what it feels like.

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

This is a pretty interesting video from Motor Trend comparing the LFA with the NSX. It hits a whole bunch of the topics we've recently been discussing in this thread - including the idea that supercars *should* be somewhat flawed... cool.gif

The LFA has a massive flaw,Paris Hilton owns one. cool.gif

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Didn't Car & Driver make a statement about the NSX along the lines of: "it's like a Ferrari, except designed by people who went to college" a few years ago?

Also, lol'd when he mentioned the Taurus - the AJ 3.0 is a nice motor in its own right. cool.gif
Edited by obobskivich - 1/7/13 at 10:31pm
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Didn't Car & Driver make a statement about the NSX along the lines of: "it's like a Ferrari, except designed by people who went to college" a few years ago?
Also, lol'd when he mentioned the Taurus - the AJ 3.0 is a nice motor in its own right. cool.gif

I would say it's like a Ferrari, but designed by folks who aren't accustomed to feeling excitement. In stock tune, it's a little underwhelming but very solid.

Yes, I am going to hook up the lights on the pumps, I'm going to try and run down a vintage window squeegee station and air pump too. I want it to all sort of look like this:





I'm not too crazy about the LFA, the performance numbers are kind of dismal compared to others in its class. For the price, you'd think it would compete with the MP4 and 458, but it really doesn't. In a vacuum I'm sure it's amazing, it just doesn't hold up well in competition.
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The old Texaco gas pump my Dad had on our farm was probably a similar vintage or maybe a bit newer. It was red and had the Fire Chief hat logo. But it wasn't as tall as yours. We had two underground tanks, one for regular and one for "ethyl". Our pump had two valves near the bottom. You opened one valve and shut the other to get regular, and you reversed them to get ethyl. I think my Dad basically gave that pump away back in the late 70s. The REALLY wild part was that the two underground tanks were about 15 feet away from the well that provided all the water for our house. Great planning Dad! I'm shocked that me and my siblings all have the correct number of fingers, toes and eyes... eek.gif
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

The old Texaco gas pump my Dad had on our farm was probably a similar vintage or maybe a bit newer. It was red and had the Fire Chief hat logo. But it wasn't as tall as yours. We had two underground tanks, one for regular and one for "ethyl". Our pump had two valves near the bottom. You opened one valve and shut the other to get regular, and you reversed them to get ethyl. I think my Dad basically gave that pump away back in the late 70s. The REALLY wild part was that the two underground tanks were about 15 feet away from the well that provided all the water for our house. Great planning Dad! I'm shocked that me and my siblings all have the correct number of fingers, toes and eyes... eek.gif

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We live not 100 miles from Oak Ridge, so that's not even funny. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

The old Texaco gas pump my Dad had on our farm was probably a similar vintage or maybe a bit newer. It was red and had the Fire Chief hat logo. But it wasn't as tall as yours. We had two underground tanks, one for regular and one for "ethyl". Our pump had two valves near the bottom. You opened one valve and shut the other to get regular, and you reversed them to get ethyl. I think my Dad basically gave that pump away back in the late 70s. The REALLY wild part was that the two underground tanks were about 15 feet away from the well that provided all the water for our house. Great planning Dad! I'm shocked that me and my siblings all have the correct number of fingers, toes and eyes... eek.gif

I didn't go below ground because of the regulations and difficulty with approvals. It would end up costing twice as much and didn't really seem to be much of a benefit. At first I was going with a single tank, but the combo was similarly priced and offered more fuel flexibility. I'm still not sure exactly what fuels I'm going to store in them. 260GT is a must, but I also bought 100 gallons of Sunoco E85 to test. It's pretty inexpensive in quantity, about what stations charge for 89 mid-range around here, so hopefully that will work out.
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Hence the Supercar status biggrin.gif  I was lucky enough to sit in one at a Lexus dealer in Vancouver. It's almost impossible to describe what it feels like.

Oh, it's posh, no denying that, but it's just really heavy. 3500lbs, 6.3:1 W/BHP, compared to the 12C which is 5.1:1, or the 458 at 5.5:1. It's also limited by relatively low torque numbers compared to its rivals, and the grunt isn't available until midway up in the powerband. Of course, I never thought it would have ever been on my watch list back when it first started making the rounds as a concept, and now that I can theoretically buy one, the truths of LFA performance leave me cold and disinterested. To me it feels more like a science experiment or tech showcase, not a brute that can reduce your bowels to water or make you hoot with joy. It isn't amazing, but it isn't awful either, it's merely "eh", and that may be the worst thing anyone could say about a supercar. Lexus claimed they'd already sold all 500, but they've only delivered 1/4 of them and are now running the test mules like mad on tracks all over the world, apparently trying to stir interest. Word is that many buyers have pulled out, and Toyota's actions seem to indicate there's truth in that rumor.
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I want to know what it is and how I can get one. It looks cool as hell.

I have no idea, it was posted by the Top Gear Twitter guys. I think it's from Ukraine. Some crazy Ferrari fans out there.
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I think "science experiment" sounds fair - but I still think of Minority Report and the Lexus he carjacks in that (did it bug anyone else that that car lacked the "track" equipment to go into the city like the car he started out with?), and honestly would not be surprised if Lexus brought out something that ridiculous in the next few years. Like some kind of LS600h + LFA mash-up.
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Lexus tried to one-up the NSX, and fell on their faces, IMO. It's not about the technical prowess, it's about the drive and the feel. Tuned in right, the 12C will leave you slack-jawed with the things it does, and still scare the bejezus out of you. I believe that's the problem with most reviews, they didn't get enough time to spend with it, so they didn't have enough time to explore. The 458 is obvious in its appeal, the Mac is more... complicated, but they're both equally awesome.

I filled up the Brit w/ 100 octane (260GT) and we ran some numbers, no tuning:

655bhp/572whp eek.gif (factory claims 625PS)
476 lb/ft torque
0-60mph w/ LC: 2.82s, w/o LC: 3.25s (using MP4's chrono, average of 3 attempts)
1/4mi: 10.5s (140mph)

Two factors here; one, McLaren's numbers are conservative (as usual). Two, if you're burning 93 super in one you're leaving some power on the table. That's not surprising, since it is running at 12:1 compression at max boost. Yeah, yeah, they claim 8.7:1, but that's at idle. The system in the 12C is constantly variable, and frankly will even run on 85 octane crap, not that you should. In other words, it does scale with better fuel. This is big boy tech, and very impressive.
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That's just ridiculous given your reports on comfort and fuel economy. Good grief. "Big boy tech" seems like a fair assessment indeed. And this is with standard road tires, yes?
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