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Sorry, but the NSX is too underpowered without forced induction. Even a minimal 5-6psi would be enough to overcome the problem. That's how I normally run it, with the boost turned down as low as it can go. At the track I maxed it at 16psi, but that's too laggy for street use. The turbos spool up, and before you know it you're making 700hp and wrapped around a minivan.

Knowing that we tend to disagree on what the ideal car should be - how would you describe the normal NSX as a DD (okay, DD in my "drives less than 300 miles a month" world - not in normal human "drives 20,000 mi a year" world)? Still underpowered?
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I gripe about wanting to move to NZ every 6 months or so, but the feeling goes away after I read the news from Auckland.

Grass is always greener?



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Oh, forgot to mention that the digital shifter knob came in, and it really is the business. Not technically worthwhile in any shape or fashion, but the blue LEDs look very cool (and it works). Actually, I take that back, it has a good feel to it, so that's something. smily_headphones1.gif

Pics?
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Any forced induction will do, turbo systems for the Acura are just better developed, more fuel efficient, and more durable, especially when paired with an ample-sized intercooler. Having driven the newer GT-R, I have to say that it's pretty overrated. I thought the interior wasn't that impressive (too "teenage boy racer"), the seats weren't much better than sitting on boulders, and the transmission was too jerky. Also, AWD sports cars aren't my cup of tea, I prefer a RWD chassis with a good LSD. I'm not fond of torque steer, and the Nissan develops it at odd moments making for some unexpected switches from over to understeer. Meh. Oh, and the brakes were good, but too grabby, causing some awkward stops on roads, leaving folks behind you freaking out and swerving to avoid plowing into your butt. Frankly, it's a peach of a track car, but not a good road car, and $100k is a lot for a toy, when you can get a Cobra kit or Atom for half the price (and they'd mop the tarmac with it).

That's what I continually hear about the GT-R - that it's super expensive for not a lot of dash, and that various kits (and bikes) will run circles around them. But hasn't the primary selling point for the last few years basically been "look, it's in Gran Turismo and The Fast & The Furious!!!" - more or less? I know the Kaira showcar a few years ago was a looker, but that's more or less all it was.

That said, there's the less expensive Infiniti (at least in the US), G37 I think, that's supposed to be a relatively nice coupe (and doesn't cost $100k). Thoughts on that one? (I remember the older G car as a peppy around-town vehicle, but haven't driven any of the newer Infiniti models).
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Not sure if anyone recommended it yet, but does a Scion/Subaru FR-S/BRZ fit your style? Last time I drove one, it was just a true, honest, and a pure sports car. Power was good (I drive a '00 Subaru Legacy GT) and the steering was just bang on. I really want one as my second car when I'm finished with school. I could afford one with finance+down payment, but the finance rates on one is... Unacceptable.

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Not sure if anyone recommended it yet, but does a Scion/Subaru FR-S/BRZ fit your style? Last time I drove one, it was just a true, honest, and a pure sports car. Power was good (I drive a '00 Subaru Legacy GT) and the steering was just bang on. I really want one as my second car when I'm finished with school. I could afford one with finance+down payment, but the finance rates on one is... Unacceptable.

If this as at me - well, I don't even...very_evil_smiley.gif
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If this as at me - well, I don't even...very_evil_smiley.gif

 

To anyone. But magick does seem to know a LOT about cars.

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To anyone. But magick does seem to know a LOT about cars.

He's suggested that Subaru a time or two if you dig back through (hey that rhymes!). I usually shoot it down because it's a Subaru.
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He's suggested that Subaru a time or two if you dig back through (hey that rhymes!). I usually shoot it down because it's a Subaru.

 

mad.gif Why do you not like Scooby Doos?

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the new season of TG looks to be great ^^ and there is a GT86 road test....... this will be interesting 

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mad.gif  Why do you not like Scooby Doos?

By virtue of their existence? tongue.gif

I've just never liked Subarus - every single time I've had to drive one it always wants to fight with me, and the most recent time I came fairly close to burning the tranny out because it wouldn't shut up and go along (and I seriously just did not have the patience to live with its failure, I needed to go (and no I wasn't driving fast and furious, this was normal commuting and the thing just couldn't get it together), and it was going to do it kicking and screaming if need-be (and let me put this into perspective, this car was marketed as a "performance upgrade" vehicle (it was a recent Legacy), and the tranny on my ocean-liner of a Lincoln shifts more responsively and more smoothly (and I'm so used to driving the ocean-liner that I don't really "put my foot in it" or similar, because in that car, if you floor it, it just pops up and says "lol - you're kidding right?")))). They just aren't reliable or sturdy cars IME, and yeah I know "the engines will run for a trillion miles" - and yeah I've seen the engines swapped between 4-5 bodies after the trannies, t-cases, interiors, etc fall apart after ~70-80k consistently. I've met people who have had the same Impreza engine since the late 1990s, and are on their fifth or sixth body or tranny - so sure, they can make a good engine, I don't doubt that, but when the entire rest of the car has to be replaced just to realize that engine's longevity? (Coming from a former Volvo owner btw - 461,000 miles (had the badges up through 400,000); thing burned itself down to the rims in a fire but still - ALL original (and no I didn't put 461,000 miles on that car by myself - at the rate I drive it would've taken me around 243 years to accomplish that)).

I've just seriously never had anything but a bad experience with every Subaru I've tried. So I stay away from them.

Now having said that, if you like your Subaru, that's awesome! And I'm sure if I spent the time to exhaustively try more Subarus, I'd probably find at least one that I like, but there's so many other cars out there that I just don't feel the need. Despite that, I still think the Impreza and Forester and neat looking little things, and as much flak as I'll probably take for it, the Baja as well.
Edited by obobskivich - 1/6/13 at 3:58pm
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As I have mentioned before, my biggest gripe with Subaru is price. They seem to think their vehicles should be priced at or above the market leaders in the respective model segments - and I don't see that as reasonable - they aren't a premium brand. I also think Subaru is one of those brands that can be popular in an area that has a good Subaru dealer - but around me, the Subaru dealer network is pitiful. The little town where I grew-up had a very good Subaru dealer, and because of that, there were quite a few Subaru owners in that country backwater.
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the new season of TG looks to be great ^^ and there is a GT86 road test....... this will be interesting 


There's one small test of the GT86 in the recent Top Gear DVD.

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To anyone. But magick does seem to know a LOT about cars.

I think they're neat, but really don't have a need for one. It costs too much to cash out securities now, since my tax rate has more than doubled, so I just won't.

Anyhow, from now on, I'll just buy wrecks for pennies on the dollar and restore them, because it's more cost effective, and the balance of the money will go into my mechanic's pocket, keeping him in business.
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Knowing that we tend to disagree on what the ideal car should be - how would you describe the normal NSX as a DD (okay, DD in my "drives less than 300 miles a month" world - not in normal human "drives 20,000 mi a year" world)? Still underpowered?

I guess it would be okay. I know it'll be a wise investment, because those cars are going to do nothing but appreciate, provided they haven't been abused.
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That's what I continually hear about the GT-R - that it's super expensive for not a lot of dash, and that various kits (and bikes) will run circles around them. But hasn't the primary selling point for the last few years basically been "look, it's in Gran Turismo and The Fast & The Furious!!!" - more or less? I know the Kaira showcar a few years ago was a looker, but that's more or less all it was.
That said, there's the less expensive Infiniti (at least in the US), G37 I think, that's supposed to be a relatively nice coupe (and doesn't cost $100k). Thoughts on that one? (I remember the older G car as a peppy around-town vehicle, but haven't driven any of the newer Infiniti models).

They aren't that great, sad to say. I've not been impressed with a Nissan since the R33 Skyline.
Edited by Magick Man - 1/7/13 at 1:55pm
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By virtue of their existence? tongue.gif
I've just never liked Subarus - every single time I've had to drive one it always wants to fight with me, and the most recent time I came fairly close to burning the tranny out because it wouldn't shut up and go along (and I seriously just did not have the patience to live with its failure, I needed to go (and no I wasn't driving fast and furious, this was normal commuting and the thing just couldn't get it together), and it was going to do it kicking and screaming if need-be (and let me put this into perspective, this car was marketed as a "performance upgrade" vehicle (it was a recent Legacy), and the tranny on my ocean-liner of a Lincoln shifts more responsively and more smoothly (and I'm so used to driving the ocean-liner that I don't really "put my foot in it" or similar, because in that car, if you floor it, it just pops up and says "lol - you're kidding right?")))). They just aren't reliable or sturdy cars IME, and yeah I know "the engines will run for a trillion miles" - and yeah I've seen the engines swapped between 4-5 bodies after the trannies, t-cases, interiors, etc fall apart after ~70-80k consistently. I've met people who have had the same Impreza engine since the late 1990s, and are on their fifth or sixth body or tranny - so sure, they can make a good engine, I don't doubt that, but when the entire rest of the car has to be replaced just to realize that engine's longevity? (Coming from a former Volvo owner btw - 461,000 miles (had the badges up through 400,000); thing burned itself down to the rims in a fire but still - ALL original (and no I didn't put 461,000 miles on that car by myself - at the rate I drive it would've taken me around 243 years to accomplish that)).
I've just seriously never had anything but a bad experience with every Subaru I've tried. So I stay away from them.
Now having said that, if you like your Subaru, that's awesome! And I'm sure if I spent the time to exhaustively try more Subarus, I'd probably find at least one that I like, but there's so many other cars out there that I just don't feel the need. Despite that, I still think the Impreza and Forester and neat looking little things, and as much flak as I'll probably take for it, the Baja as well.

 

Wow I'm surprised by that... Were you driving the Automatics? #1 rule with Subarus is don't buy an Auto biggrin.gif. The Forrester XT has a good 230~HP and it has a 4-speed Auto...

 

I guess where I live, Subarus are just the perfect car. Constant rain and sometimes snow. The AWD control and lower center of gravity REALLY shows a difference. All the people who drove my car comments on the immense stability of the thing. The recent snowstorm we had, the only one this yet, I literally had to pull out 3 cars in my cul-de-sac, including an AWD Honda CR-V.

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As I have mentioned before, my biggest gripe with Subaru is price. They seem to think their vehicles should be priced at or above the market leaders in the respective model segments - and I don't see that as reasonable - they aren't a premium brand. I also think Subaru is one of those brands that can be popular in an area that has a good Subaru dealer - but around me, the Subaru dealer network is pitiful. The little town where I grew-up had a very good Subaru dealer, and because of that, there were quite a few Subaru owners in that country backwater.

 

I admit, most of their cars are a bit steep in the price. I think Subaru just makes the buyer pay a premium for buying an AWD Boxer machine, which is not great marketing seeing how most people are scared off by the starting prices of Subarus. But with that said, I find their high-performance cars to be excellent value, used and new. You can pick up a 265hp WRX for $33k~. What other car is there to buy? A Mazda Speed3? Focus ST? Civic Si? Same story with the Legacy GT (now they stopped making them confused.gif). I admit how their lower-end cars are a bit rubbish, and horribly priced for what you get. Their engineering is bang on, their market is kind of lacking...

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Wow I'm surprised by that... Were you driving the Automatics? #1 rule with Subarus is don't buy an Auto biggrin.gif . The Forrester XT has a good 230~HP and it has a 4-speed Auto...

I guess where I live, Subarus are just the perfect car. Constant rain and sometimes snow. The AWD control and lower center of gravity REALLY shows a difference. All the people who drove my car comments on the immense stability of the thing. The recent snowstorm we had, the only one this yet, I literally had to pull out 3 cars in my cul-de-sac, including an AWD Honda CR-V.

I grew up in legitimate snow country, and I've driven anything with four wheels and a seat in bad weather - AWD, TC, etc are fun toys, but they don't solve the problem of zero traction. A CR-V is also not a legitimate anything (it's a Civic with a liftkit and I'd rather walk). But yes, Subaru is marketed as the "perfect car" here too, and lots of owners are convinced of that. I pass most of them on the freeway while they wait for wrecking&recovery to come dig them out of the ditch. wink.gif And given my ride, it really makes it all that more comical.

I've tried manuals, autos, and their paddle shifter (the paddle shifter is the one I nearly burned out - god was that thing horrible in every sense of the word; the tap-shifter in a Hyundai rental that I had a few years ago was better, and that car screamed "cheap piece of crap!").
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I admit, most of their cars are a bit steep in the price. I think Subaru just makes the buyer pay a premium for buying an AWD Boxer machine, which is not great marketing seeing how most people are scared off by the starting prices of Subarus. But with that said, I find their high-performance cars to be excellent value, used and new. You can pick up a 265hp WRX for $33k~. What other car is there to buy? A Mazda Speed3? Focus ST? Civic Si? Same story with the Legacy GT (now they stopped making them confused.gif ). I admit how their lower-end cars are a bit rubbish, and horribly priced for what you get. Their engineering is bang on, their market is kind of lacking...

I agree with billy.
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The problem I have with pretty much all Japanese "supercars" is that they are rarely supercars when they left the factory - someone had to mod them into cars that can run with the elite. And yeah, I know that doesn't really make sense because the 1000 bhp Nissan or Acura is *still* a ton cheaper than the Euro supercars - but it still seems somehow wrong... *shrugs*
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The LFA is quite the supercar

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