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post #841 of 1958
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Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

Assuming that the Mayan prophecy is akin to a Nostradamus prediction - i.e. utterly without foundation - I'll contact Charles and see whether he's interested in a Tera Player loaner program for Head-Fi members. I'll organize it and arrange the logistics subject to several caveats that I've yet to think of!

Anyway, more tomorrow assuming that we're all still here. popcorn.gif

Andy.

Sounds like a great idea biggrin.gif
I'll have to try and get on the demo list somehow...
Edited by theThirty3rd - 12/20/12 at 6:32pm
post #842 of 1958
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Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

Assuming that the Mayan prophecy is akin to a Nostradamus prediction - i.e. utterly without foundation - I'll contact Charles and see whether he's interested in a Tera Player loaner program for Head-Fi members. I'll organize it and arrange the logistics subject to several caveats that I've yet to think of!

Anyway, more tomorrow assuming that we're all still here. popcorn.gif

Andy.
Thank you for seeing the humor in my post.

And, a few posts prior to this, I believe I had mentioned needing to try this TP out.

Besides, am I the ONLY Individual who's posted something off topic in this thread? Heh,...amazing.
post #843 of 1958
Quote:
Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

Assuming that the Mayan prophecy is akin to a Nostradamus prediction - i.e. utterly without foundation - I'll contact Charles and see whether he's interested in a Tera Player loaner program for Head-Fi members. I'll organize it and arrange the logistics subject to several caveats that I've yet to think of!

 

Anyway, more tomorrow assuming that we're all still here. popcorn.gif

 

Andy.


Sounds like an interesting idea. I'm interested :).

post #844 of 1958
I think we can get back to our discussion about this great soundig DAP wich is called Tera Player.
I am amazed how people still don't believe how good is sounds even with £20 headphones like Korta Pro.
If more will listen to what Charles managed to create will be more happier and stress free.
post #845 of 1958
Quote:
Originally Posted by smial1966 View Post

Assuming that the Mayan prophecy is akin to a Nostradamus prediction - i.e. utterly without foundation - I'll contact Charles and see whether he's interested in a Tera Player loaner program for Head-Fi members. I'll organize it and arrange the logistics subject to several caveats that I've yet to think of!

Anyway, more tomorrow assuming that we're all still here. popcorn.gif

 

Andy.

 

Very interested!....I hope you can make it happen ;-)

post #846 of 1958
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

I think we can get back to our discussion about this great soundig DAP wich is called Tera Player.
I am amazed how people still don't believe how good is sounds even with £20 headphones like Korta Pro.
If more will listen to what Charles managed to create will be more happier and stress free.

these were my first headphone mod like 4-5 years ago, they are long gone. I think the problem is more the claim that it sounds better than anything, ever, with any headphone... headphones produce a much more profound improvement than any DAP ever will and you can do a LOT better than those old things, which are quite good for the money they cost, but thats about it.
post #847 of 1958
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post


these were my first headphone mod like 4-5 years ago, they are long gone. I think the problem is more the claim that it sounds better than anything, ever, with any headphone... headphones produce a much more profound improvement than any DAP ever will and you can do a LOT better than those old things, which are quite good for the money they cost, but thats about it.

 

How you you know that headphone improvements make a more profound improvement than say changing to a multibit DAC from S-D? I used to go along with that mantra on speakers, that you should spend more money on speakers because they're the weakest link. But I haven't changed speakers much in the past few years and the ones I have now are very cheap ones. Yet my DACs keep on getting better and better.

post #848 of 1958
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post


here low bitrate and digital volume control musings! (Click to show)
no its not a ladder/r2r either afaik, I think (since its not mentioned) that the NXP dac (philips semiconductor is now called NXP) Charles uses is of the same ilk, so not an R-2R either, rather a current source, so the current is divided/switched with active current sources made from transistors, rather than the being divided with resistors (which can result in voltage output). i'm not certain of the model and i'm talking somewhat out of school here, perhaps we could know more if there was more than marketing spin published about the design.....
as such I do not know specifically how the noise shaping works in this Dac X, but it will be dither and noise shaping that will make the output from the dac bearable in the case of the TP, as well as perhaps some form of analogue filter to soften the digital distortion. because it is a fact that if you turn the volume down with a 16bit dac, with 16bit source material you start losing information, so it will depend greatly on the headphones you use with TP, the resolution you get, because you will only be able to comfortably turn the volume up to a certain level, which will be lower with low impedance.
i've linked it before, but this explains it pretty well. its an ESS document, so ignore that, but it does give you a decent overview. whats important is that the TP uses a 16bit dac and the effect of turning down the volume is explained in te first few pages, it then goes on to show how both analogue and more advanced 32bit dacs and digital volume improves on 16bit dac and digital.
also another term that might need explaining is ENOB (Equivalent Number Of Bits) which describes the dynamic range/Signal to noise ratio in the analogue noise/frequency domain and how that relates to the equivalent amount of information that analogue signal can portray. this is not accurately known without knowing the performance of the amplifier stage in the TP and how well it deals with different volume and different load impedances, which is also all information which is undisclosed with the TP. but having such low supply voltage and low current I dont know how good it could be...
its worth noting that DSD is only 1bit and there are newer technologies coming into play like multibit DSD, which will probably be 4 or 6 bit, so a small number of bits CAN be used to good effect, but it takes a different approach, DSD uses whats called PWM (Pulse width modulation) to describe a musical signal with only 2 states. but we wont go into that here, its not the same thing and cannot be used to explain the enjoyment some get with the TP, that I would rather not try and describe. its not because of being more transparent or detailed....thats for sure. its not having hires capability because despite its label, it cannot really play them, using 24bit files on the TP gains you nothing and just uses more space.
so TBH i'm at a loss, perhaps hes added some nice sounding, pleasantly coloured analogue filter as part of the amplifier or DSP section... only Charles can say unless I had one to dissect and no I dont plan to buy one.

 

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Originally Posted by Sapientiam View Post

 

As qusp says, the TP doesn't use R2R, its using DEM segmented current sources. This results in lower noise modulation (aka glitching) than an R2R, certainly a contributor to the good sound. However as its NOS it will also put out ultrasonic images >22kHz and its these that may well reduce the perceived SQ on your high-end system. See this post from Monty over at Xiph where he talks about the effects of ultrasonics - http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

 

 

Thanks for the info, I'll read it when I have a bit of spare time. Cheers

post #849 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Sapientiam View Post

See this post from Monty over at Xiph where he talks about the effects of ultrasonics - http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

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Originally Posted by Sapientiam View Post

How you you know that headphone improvements make a more profound improvement than say changing to a multibit DAC from S-D? 

 

Hmm, it's mentioned in the very post you linked. wink.gif

 

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Better headphones

The easiest fix isn't digital. The most dramatic possible fidelity improvement for the cost comes from a good pair of headphones. Over-ear, in ear, open or closed, it doesn't much matter. They don't even need to be expensive, though expensive headphones can be worth the money.

post #850 of 1958
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

Hmm, it's mentioned in the very post you linked. wink.gif

 

 

Well spotted, just so happens I don't agree with everything that's in a post I link to, this is one good example cool.gif I linked to that one because it was good on the topic of ultrasonics. I take it that he didn't consider a DAC upgrade to an existing player a viable one - only a case-hardened DIYer would attempt it on a DAP. I know I wouldn't - rather I'd change the DAP.

post #851 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Sapientiam View Post

How you you know that headphone improvements make a more profound improvement than say changing to a multibit DAC from S-D? I used to go along with that mantra on speakers, that you should spend more money on speakers because they're the weakest link. But I haven't changed speakers much in the past few years and the ones I have now are very cheap ones. Yet my DACs keep on getting better and better.

because thats what my experience tells me..... particularly as every multibit dac i've heard is a step backwards
post #852 of 1958

Which multibit DACs have you heard then? Would be nice to have examples of which ones to avoid.

post #853 of 1958
Must have been through all 57 pages.. What a great learning curve.. I'm no audiophile or even a hobbiest. And because of this I don't want to start exploring different options and combinations of dacs and amps and headphones. I don't even have good quality music. However, I have created the need for hi fidelity music without experiencing it. Just something I want amongst othe things in life.. Iv recently purchased my first pair of decent(ish) headphone, pair of v moda m100, I haven't even received them yet, but what I've realised is that you need more than cans to feel good music.

I'll happily create wavs and build up a library but I don't want to start trying different hardware. So my question is this... The tera player has convinced me that I do not need anything else to enjoy music and I will go ahead with a purchase. The only question I have is will the tera player drive the m100s?
Long way to ask a question, I know, but a bit of background is always nice..
post #854 of 1958
The Tera player will easily drive the V-Moda M100.
post #855 of 1958
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Originally Posted by xarchi View Post

Must have been through all 57 pages.. What a great learning curve.. I'm no audiophile or even a hobbiest. And because of this I don't want to start exploring different options and combinations of dacs and amps and headphones. I don't even have good quality music. However, I have created the need for hi fidelity music without experiencing it. Just something I want amongst othe things in life.. Iv recently purchased my first pair of decent(ish) headphone, pair of v moda m100, I haven't even received them yet, but what I've realised is that you need more than cans to feel good music.

I'll happily create wavs and build up a library but I don't want to start trying different hardware. So my question is this... The tera player has convinced me that I do not need anything else to enjoy music and I will go ahead with a purchase. The only question I have is will the tera player drive the m100s?
Long way to ask a question, I know, but a bit of background is always nice..
Welcome to head fi.Tera Player will drive easy pretty much anything is 3 times louder then ipod.
If you want to use full size headphones 300ohm and above go for V1 if not V0 what you need.
Where you located anyway?
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