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post #736 of 1958
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post


As far as bit depth is concerned, you're better off converting first to 16 bit with dithering (foobar2000 will do it properly), since the Tera Player will do worse (cropping the lower 8 bits). As for the sampling rate, Charles says the Tera Player will play any sampling rate natively, without downsampling, but I still have my doubts.
In any case, 16 bit / 44.1 kHz will be completely transparent, and the files will be much smaller. So you might as well do a proper conversion of all your files to 16 bit and 44.1 kHz (both in a single run), you can't lose.

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac8552.pdf No need to swap files unless you need the space.

post #737 of 1958

My solution is easy, convert to same quality WAV version then reconvert to Wav of the same amount. That usually fixes everything while preserving the data as best as possible. I usually just downconvert to 16 bit  depth with the same sample rate and in WAV and it usually works just fine.

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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post

All of the so-called HiRez files that I have downloaded have been .flac files. Converting them to .wav 16/44.1 often results in an unplayable files. All of my conversions from .flac 16/44.1 to .wav 16/44.1 have been successful. I am not sure why this happens, but I am suspecting that there are some errors present in the HiRes files that causes a corrupt conversion.
post #738 of 1958
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Use foobar HiFlight and you won't have those issues wink.gif. I know I deal alot with hi rez files and this was an issue using other programs but not foobar.

I am running a Linux OS and trying to install a Windows program is a real hassle. Most of my rips are from my own CD's using XCFA and it also has also worked for my downloaded files. My problems were with HDTracks downloads. Others converted just fine.
post #739 of 1958
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


I am running a Linux OS and trying to install a Windows program is a real hassle. Most of my rips are from my own CD's using XCFA and it also has also worked for my downloaded files. My problems were with HDTracks downloads. Others converted just fine.


I've had problems converting vinyl rips as well as unpacking them. Foobar handles it without problems.

post #740 of 1958
Charles the creator of TP recommends XLD for the Mac format. I have not had a single problem with any file low or hi res to date. All files from HDTracks work fine. Super easy to use. For standard 16 bit files and iTunes, I simply drag the entire folder of the CD from the itunes database onto XLD and the conversion is complete with the correct folder structure required by TP.

He also recommends to keep the sample rate untouched but reduce the bit size to 16 if originally higher. Although TP can directly play 24 bit files there may be issues with the SDcard speed, space and drains more battery unnecessarily having to load the 24 bits from the card before dumping it anyway. My understanding is Charles recommends to drop the bottom 8 bits as done by XLD when converting from 24 to 16 bits since those bits are not audible and not to dither from 24 to 16 and loose audible bits.

This is what the creator of the Tera Player suggests. Feel free to disagree. :-)
Edited by flkin - 12/7/12 at 12:39am
post #741 of 1958

So 24 bit is useless but 192k is good???? Altmann is an odd combination of good ideas and spin. Perhaps it is better on his player depending on how he does his filters etc but...

 

Downconverting sample rate is often a more noticeable change than bit depth but that's not the same as whats more important in an original file. Has more to do with the converters. It's easier to discard the least significant bits going from 24 to 16 than to do so on sample rate. There are optimized programs that work from maps like Wavelab's Crystal Resampler that sound better downsampling frequency than the more common programs.

 

Changing bit depth will prolong battery life, ease the processor load and likely noise of the player if done ahead of time judging from his comments.

 

I agree about XLD. Best consumer converter for MAC. I like DB for cheap and cheerful on a PC.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/7/12 at 5:28am
post #742 of 1958

Take it from a programmers perspective. If I write a program where I need to intake values and discard a select portion, that seems highly inefficient over writing a small script to remove the data I dont need and then let the output by the input to my main program. This way I am not wasting time or energy or anything with retrieving excess data each and every time I listen to the song. If it's done ahead of time it's the same thing but now the Tera Player has less work to do and you can get away with using cheaper microSDHC cards (I have run into trouble with 24-bit on really cheap poor quality microSDHC cards) but getting the good ones these days is not a big deal in terms of cost and the cheap ones work fine for 16-bit/44.1kHz music

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

So 24 bit is useless but 192k is good???? Altmann is an odd combination of good ideas and spin. Perhaps it is better on his player depending on how he does his filters etc but...

 

Downconverting sample rate is often a more noticeable change than bit depth but that's not the same as whats more important in an original file. Has more to do with the converters. It's easier to discard the least significant bits going from 24 to 16 than to do so on sample rate. There are optimized programs that work from maps like Wavelab's Crystal Resampler that sound better downsampling frequency than the more common programs.

 

Changing bit depth will prolong battery life, ease the processor load and likely noise of the player if done ahead of time judging from his comments.

 

I agree about XLD. Best consumer converter for MAC. I like DB for cheap and cheerful on a PC.

post #743 of 1958
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Screens add noise. Also all size and power requirements. It also makes a player reliant on you taking attention off something else to change the song. Why bother? I can navigate my Tera Player while it's still in my pocket, by telling a friend to keep hitting the next button, and many other situations. It's really convenient knowing I dont have to look.

 

Also, it sounds like you wanna pay $1200 for a Tera Player and a nice packaging and accessories? It could even cost more. That's ridiculous. The Tera Player is built like a tank, it doesn't need a case really. Each person will use it with their own headphones or IEM's as they wish, so a case for traveling is pointless. A point that could be made would be to have the PortaPro's included but they're so cheap it's easier for shipping just to buy them separately. What exactly did you mean about extra goodies or accessories? 

 

interconnects, pouch, manual, rubber feet, etc.

 

i'm not saying that i'm willing to pay more for the extra goodies. it's the reciprocal, tera player should have been priced way lower without the extra goodies. i admit this player is really impressive, but what's inside the box does not really justify the price he's charging.

 

To tell you the truth, i was quite in shock when my friend showed me the box of tera player.. it's just too horrifying to imagine this thing costs $1100. put a screen on it, maintain the same sound quality, then i can safely say this thing worth the $1100 price tag. i would not even hesitate to buy that player in an instance.. but as for this current product? the price is just insane..

post #744 of 1958
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Originally Posted by i_djoel2000 View Post

To tell you the truth, i was quite in shock when my friend showed me the box of tera player.. it's just too horrifying to imagine this thing costs $1100. put a screen on it, maintain the same sound quality, then i can safely say this thing worth the $1100 price tag. i would not even hesitate to buy that player in an instance.. but as for this current product? the price is just insane..

You might be interested in the new AK100 Astell & Kern player then. I had a very quick listen on unfamiliar material. Sounded very decent. Shaped similar the Tera P with screen. Hires too. I wonder if anyone has compared the sound with the TP yet? Said to work better with high ohm phones.
Edited by flkin - 12/7/12 at 7:16am
post #745 of 1958
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Take it from a programmers perspective. If I write a program where I need to intake values and discard a select portion, that seems highly inefficient over writing a small script to remove the data I dont need and then let the output by the input to my main program. This way I am not wasting time or energy or anything with retrieving excess data each and every time I listen to the song. If it's done ahead of time it's the same thing but now the Tera Player has less work to do and you can get away with using cheaper microSDHC cards (I have run into trouble with 24-bit on really cheap poor quality microSDHC cards) but getting the good ones these days is not a big deal in terms of cost and the cheap ones work fine for 16-bit/44.1kHz music

OK? 16/96 needs 25% more speed than 24/48. If it was about that, he'd tell you to reduce both and not just bit depth. The bit rate is likely less the issue than the extra processing involved in reducing the bit depth.

post #746 of 1958
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Originally Posted by flkin View Post


You might be interested in the new AK100 Astell & Kern player then. I had a very quick listen on unfamiliar material. Sounded very decent. Shaped similar the Tera P with screen. Hires too. I wonder if anyone has compared the sound with the TP yet? Said to work better with high ohm phones.

 

lucky you.. i also happened to test the AK100 as well, the same time i auditioned tera player. while the AK100 sounded quite decent, its sound quality is still way below tera player.. both technicality and musicality

 

AK100 sounded more mid-centric, while tera player is flat across the spectrum.

post #747 of 1958
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

So 24 bit is useless but 192k is good????  

Apparently so. He's chosen to use the Phillips 16 bit DAC as he obviously feels it can produce the best sound in a small package with enough battery life etc and it had proven to be the right compromise (bit rate vs sound quality) so there isn't much choice but to go with higher sampling rates if you want to go hidef. He explains his compromise in the link below.

http://www.mother-of-tone.com/cd.htm
Edited by flkin - 12/7/12 at 8:05am
post #748 of 1958
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

OK? 16/96 needs 25% more speed than 24/48.

33% more. If you're going to compare to 24/48, you need that to be 100%.

(16 * 2 * 96000) * 100 / (24 * 2 * 48000) ~= 133.333%
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

The bit rate is likely less the issue than the extra processing involved in reducing the bit depth.

Cropping the lower 8 bits is just a matter of bit shifting (n >> 8). It's extremely fast. The reason you wanna do it ahead of time, is to do it better than that (with dithering).
post #749 of 1958
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Originally Posted by i_djoel2000 View Post

AK100 sounded more mid-centric, while tera player is flat across the spectrum.

The AK100 is completely flat:



Maybe the AK100's high output impedance messed with the headphones that you used with it.
post #750 of 1958
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Originally Posted by flkin View Post

Apparently so. Here's what he had to say on the matter:
http://www.mother-of-tone.com/cd.htm

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