Altmann Tera Player - Page 41  

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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 

First, I don't complain,...I question & want proof. If you can't provide proof I say you have no grounds to stand on and you're opinion/rock solid facts are flawed and useless.

 

Second, some here are saying that RMAA testing is flawed? When done correctly it is FAR from flawed. That's why most of us jumped for joy when GSMArena started doing "PROPER" loaded and unloaded testing of cellphones. We got all excited because it's a practical, reliable, and TRUTHFUL way of showing possible customers of a device if the SQ will be great, good, or GARBAGE! Only since the advent of the HiFiMan players have some questioned RMAA - and ONLY to justify their purchase. These were people who used to respect RMAA. Saying it's unreliable is talk out of the incorrect orifice.

 

iBasso dx100: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/64592268-post64.html

 

It's originally from Head-Fi: http://www.head-fi.org/t/583448/ibasso-dx100-reference-dap-es9018-inside/2670#post_8193104

 

Sell me the player & I'll get in line. That's the job of the creator of the thing - he's only hooked the "blind faith followers". It's like a bloody religious experience,...you make Apple fanboi's look tame. 

 

Make me want this - show me proof!!!

Man, you really need to chill and relax to some music (preferably on the Tera Player). 

When you go to a live performance, you don't shout "show me RMAA charts" or "show me proof". You listen.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Get your hands on the device and have a listen. It's around somewhere. 

Until then, how about giving the benefit of the doubt to those that have already purchased it and are enjoying it. Like someone else here said - there are not many Tera owners here that complaint about the sound. On the contrary, it's often commented on as the best portable they've used. Doesn't this indicate something to you? Are we all delusional?  

Those that have heard it have a say about the sound. Those that haven't, well as Ivor Tiefenbrun of Linn said - "you have no opinion". 

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Originally Posted by lee730 

I agree on the pop sound however on the latest update the pop sound has been noticeably decreased. Before I would always make sure to power on the unit first before plugging in my IEMs and unplugging before powering off. Now if I plug in and power it on the pop is still there but not nearly as loud. Enough so where I'm not worried about damaging my IEMs or my hearing (it's no longer painful ;). Also on powering off there is really no pop at all now. Just on powering on. 

I'm currently using the Tera Player with the sensitive 16 ohm Piano Forte IX. Recently I am hearing not the normal black background but some soft digital noise in the background each time I play music. Very soft but it's there. Found out that it was due to a dirty auto switch on/off and jiggling the SD card a bit when the music is playing stops this noise. 

So for maximum sound quality and jet black backgrounds, you have to jiggle while listening to music. 

Has anyone compared the Tera Player with the iRiver Astell & Kern AK100? It's a 24bit player.

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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 

First, I don't complain,...I question & want proof. If you can't provide proof I say you have no grounds to stand on and you're opinion/rock solid facts are flawed and useless.

 

Second, some here are saying that RMAA testing is flawed? When done correctly it is FAR from flawed. That's why most of us jumped for joy when GSMArena started doing "PROPER" loaded and unloaded testing of cellphones. We got all excited because it's a practical, reliable, and TRUTHFUL way of showing possible customers of a device if the SQ will be great, good, or GARBAGE! Only since the advent of the HiFiMan players have some questioned RMAA - and ONLY to justify their purchase. These were people who used to respect RMAA. Saying it's unreliable is talk out of the incorrect orifice.

 

iBasso dx100: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/64592268-post64.html

 

It's originally from Head-Fi: http://www.head-fi.org/t/583448/ibasso-dx100-reference-dap-es9018-inside/2670#post_8193104

 

Sell me the player & I'll get in line. That's the job of the creator of the thing - he's only hooked the "blind faith followers". It's like a bloody religious experience,...you make Apple fanboi's look tame. 

 

Make me want this - show me proof!!!

You come onto Head-Fi and troll then you boast about your trolling on anythingbutipod, where you patronise Head-fi's membership, what exactly is your agenda because to me you convey your opinion like spoiled child? Also you reverve Dftk as and audio shaman when he cannot seem to hear the obvious flaws of the UE11. Just saying...like!

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Originally Posted by skamp 


I'll give them the benefit of the doubt when I see measurement results that are nothing short of excellent.

Our hobby uses ears, not eyes. heh  

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Originally Posted by flkin 

I'm currently using the Tera Player with the sensitive 16 ohm Piano Forte IX. Recently I am hearing not the normal black background but some soft digital noise in the background each time I play music. Very soft but it's there. Found out that it was due to a dirty auto switch on/off and jiggling the SD card a bit when the music is playing stops this noise. 

So for maximum sound quality and jet black backgrounds, you have to jiggle while listening to music. 

Originally Posted by skamp 


This is beyond funny. €840 audiophile DAP suffers from digital noise like a cheap smartphone. Why defend it? It's ridiculous.
That's all the information I needed. Which such a flaw, I'm convinced that player isn't worth €40, let alone €840. What a big FAIL.

 

It's a mechanical device and like all devices, you get glitches. In this case dirt. Solution? Clean it. 

Have you heard the TP yet? If not, you don't have an opinion. heh

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Originally Posted by skamp 


Taking selling price as an indicator of sound quality is a sure way of falling victim to snake oil salesmen and getting fooled. That's the problem with this community: as soon as some obscure company comes out with a piece of gear that 1) is very expensive, and 2) is marketed as "audiophile", people here automatically assume that it will sound awesome, and once they try it, their expectation bias confirms their assumptions. Worse, sometimes they do hear obvious and unforgivable flaws like a loud hiss (I'm looking at you, Studio V), but they forgive it and keep on raving about "awesome sound quality"! It's mind-bloggling. How come such manufacturers fail on the most basic features, such as low output impedance, noise, hiss, flat FR, and yet are capable of generating musical attributes that are reportedly "out of this world"? Does that make ANY sense to you?
Because of stuff like that, audiophiles have lost all credibility with anyone who has any sense and is still capable of any critical thinking.

Nope it just sounds like an excuse to justify that the Sansa Clip "is as good as it gets" when you couldn't be further from the truth. I call it as I hear it. If it sounds like **** I'm gonna make it known. If it sounds great and a big upgrade to my ears from something basic as a Sansa Clip then I'm quite happy.. That the sad part ;). You pass on your misinformation like you know and you don't. That is mind-boggling. You've never had first hand experience with both products or high end DAPs in general. Hey if it's not for you and you need a reason to justify it great! But in the end that is on you and I don't see or hear it that way.  Hey I'm all for saving money as well but I already know it's a dream/naive to expect a $30.00 DAP to have the same sound quality/performance of an $830.00 one. Now if you can find me one then by all means I'll sell my DX100 and save some big money lol.

But at the same time I do agree that there is the possibility for cheaper gear to sound on par or even better than more expensive gear as well although this isn't always the case.

Credibility with who? The general public who considers bose and beats to be top quality lol ;)

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Originally Posted by skamp 


What misinformation? I was referring to this review in particular, but there are tons of other ones like it.
If they come with glaring flaws that cheaper DAPs don't have, why would I bother? FWIW, I have experience with the O2/ODAC; not a DAP, but pretty high quality - or maybe you disagree even there? Maybe it's not expensive enough for you
You're doing it again! You're assuming that a high selling price automatically implies superior sound quality. You're just asking for someone to reshell a Clip+ in a shiny enclosure and market it to you as a high quality audiophile DAP.
Also, if Charles built a Clip+ or an iPod, how much do you think he would sell it for? More, or less than the Tera Player?

The O2 sounds great I agree but at the same time the amp is over-hyped (same with the ODAC). It's not as good as it's made out to be IMO. The amp has its own flaws that turned me off from it (aggressive sounding, dry and the sound stage is stretched thin lacking much of any depth). I'm no fool if they were to market the Sansa clip in a different more expensive package with that same sound it would be returned immediately. I'll listen to my ears and not to my wallet.

Well this is all getting rather silly isn't it?

The last Tera Player (TP) thread was locked by moderators because of vitriolic and probably libelous comments by non TP owners who were determined to besmirch Charles Altmann. Moreover, they implied that ALL TP owners were collectively suffering from a mass delusion by praising the sonic qualities of this diminutive little player.

Now I'm all for debate and expressing ones opinion, but when comments are based on supposition and not fact, then these observations become disingenuous by their very nature. So if you don't own a Tera Player, PLEASE STOP insinuating that everyone that does is an idiot that's been deluded by a charlatan marketing a costly product, as we know what sounds good and gives us musical pleasure. 

Having owned a HiFiMan HM-801, iBasso DX100 and the Tera Player, the TP is the only one I've kept and listen to daily. No it's not perfect and it is damned expensive, but it puts a smile on my face every time I listen to it and to me that's priceless.

If a Tera Player skeptic with a reputable track record and suitable equipment for RMAA would like to borrow my TP to assess it's measurements, please PM me and we can discuss how to best do this. But even if the `scientific' quantitative test results suck I don't care, as I trust my ears and they're enveloped in sonic bliss every time that the Tera Player sings!

Andy.