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post #556 of 1958
11/27/12 at 3:48am
Any TP owner had a chance to play it on main system? How does it compare with pc-hifi?

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post #557 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:08am
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Originally Posted by hkborn View Post

Any TP owner had a chance to play it on main system? How does it compare with pc-hifi?

if you mean as PC Hifi soun setup then Tera Player should be better, as it is the one and only jitter free DAP and there is not noise,distortion coming from the DAC.

But i don't own one , looking to get one and other can tell you more about that.

post #558 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

it is the one and only jitter free DAP and there is not noise,distortion coming from the DAC

How do you know? Where are the measurements?
post #559 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

it is the one and only jitter free DAP and there is not noise,distortion coming from the DAC

How do you know? Where are the measurements?

Just reading around the web, the TP gets lot of praises and i don't think all the Audiophiles out there can be wrong..I don't have the measurements i am affraid.

post #560 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Just reading around the web, the TP gets lot of praises and i don't think all the Audiophiles out there can be wrong..

Only on audiophile forums where people instantly approve of any product that's marketed as "audiophile" no matter how technically bad it is. Everywhere else, everyone's having a good laugh about it. And yes, it's very easy to fool audiophiles. That's why they're called audiophools.

And it's called unsubstanciated hype. rolleyes.gif
Edited by skamp - 11/27/12 at 4:34am
post #561 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:34am

Honestly, I find measurements pointless. Yea, they look pretty and some information can be taken from them, but you're literally telling everyone right now that without measurements you don't have any confidence in making a purchase. I think in a lot of cases people don't even know how to read the measurements of any device properly, but they think they do. No to say I think you don't know what you're talking about, but it seems a bit silly to rely so heavily on a single bit of information. 

 

I was a bit scared too when I first got my Tera Player. I had only had an iPod before and a few other less than worthy DAP's. I wondered if I'd really hear the difference between the Tera and my iPod or other DAP's. Truth is, it was so clean a source I didn't know what I had at first. By day 3 though, I was already in love with the sound. You say that you dont think the audiophiles are wrong, but you still dont believe us. I hope for your sake you try to do something to ease that feeling away. I understand its a lot of money to part with for something you have no frame of reference besides some impressions about the device, but if you think you can handle some of the perceived drawbacks (personally i think the only drawback is the going back an album thing I mentioned a few pages ago) then go ahead and purchase it, you won't be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Just reading around the web, the TP gets lot of praises and i don't think all the Audiophiles out there can be wrong..I don't have the measurements i am affraid.

 

EDIT: The reason I don't think the Tera Player has any drawbacks is because having used it for a few months, it's a joy to own and use. I don't mind not having a screen, just means I always have an easy way to navigate without taking the Tera out of my pocket. The use of SD cards? Easily fixed with the SD card holder thing I've shown in pictures before. Honestly, this device performs 100% as advertised. I couldn't be happier with my purchase at all. How often do you get something that is reliable, durable, and actually is everything it claims to be. 


Edited by kenman345 - 11/27/12 at 4:37am
post #562 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Just reading around the web, the TP gets lot of praises and i don't think all the Audiophiles out there can be wrong..

Only on audiophile forums where people instantly approve of any product that's marketed as "audiophile" no matter how technically bad it is. And it's called unsubstanciated hype. rolleyes.gif

Well not always true, i am not related to Charles in any way, nor i own this Tera Player ( yet ) but if you read the story behind this DAP you will see that is a diffrent product from any other out there.

Took him five years to develop and build and write his own program inside the ARM chip, so i belive that this may be a good one indeed.wink.gif

post #563 of 1958
11/27/12 at 4:57am
I have already had the TP ordered a while ago but unfortunately, delivery get stuck up somewhere in postal ocean. Just want to see any fellow owners had used it in main system as well.
post #564 of 1958
11/27/12 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by hkborn View Post

I have already had the TP ordered a while ago but unfortunately, delivery get stuck up somewhere in postal ocean. Just want to see any fellow owners had used it in main system as well.

What delivery services does Charles use? Did you got a tracking number? When are located?

post #565 of 1958
11/27/12 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

What delivery services does Charles use? Did you got a tracking number? When are located?

Charles is having a look right now, the German said they delivered it; the local Post Office said they didn't receive it. Just wait n see.

DHL as per Charles, tracking no doesn't work quite right.
Edited by hkborn - 11/27/12 at 5:12am
post #566 of 1958
11/27/12 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

you're literally telling everyone right now that without measurements you don't have any confidence in making a purchase

Yes, because measurements can't get fooled, and because making a piece of audio hardware that measures well, in this day and age, costs next to nothing, so there's no excuse. I simply consider it mandatory, for those reasons.

There's nothing stopping Charles or anyone else from providing RMAA-type measurements. It's very easy to do and it would demonstrate that it's at least on par with decent DAPs, or even better. Instead, all we get is a lot of hype. The ODAC was well hyped too, but at least it came with repeatable measurements that were well above everything else at that price!

And btw, musicday mentionned audio attributes, specifically, that one measures with tools, not with one's ears. Can your ears give me an accurate percentage of total harmonic distortion? Can you accurately draw a frequency response graph just by listening to the DAP?
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

I hope for your sake you try to do something to ease that feeling away. I understand its a lot of money to part with for something you have no frame of reference besides some impressions about the device, but if you think you can handle some of the perceived drawbacks (personally i think the only drawback is the going back an album thing I mentioned a few pages ago) then go ahead and purchase it, you won't be disappointed.

That almost sounds religious, you're asking me to spend €840 on faith alone! Faith in random internet people that I don't know! Faith in people that I know are easily fooled, dismiss tangible measurements as useless, and deny the validity of double blind tests!
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

if you read the story behind this DAP you will see that is a diffrent product from any other out there.
Took him five years to develop and build and write his own program inside the ARM chip, so i belive that this may be a good one indeed.wink.gif

Oh my, you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?
Edited by skamp - 11/27/12 at 5:17am
post #567 of 1958
11/27/12 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

you're literally telling everyone right now that without measurements you don't have any confidence in making a purchase

Yes, because measurements can't get fooled, and because making a piece of audio hardware that measures well, in this day and age, costs next to nothing, so there's no excuse. I simply consider it mandatory, for those reasons.

There's nothing stopping Charles or anyone else from providing RMAA-type measurements. It's very easy to do and it would demonstrate that it's at least on par with decent DAPs, or even better. Instead, all we get is a lot of hype. The ODAC was well hyped too, but at least it came with repeatable measurements that were well above everything else at that price!

And btw, musicday mentionned audio attributes, specifically, that one measures with tools, not with one's ears. Can your ears give me an accurate percentage of total harmonic distortion? Can you accurately draw a frequency response graph just by listening to the DAP?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

I hope for your sake you try to do something to ease that feeling away. I understand its a lot of money to part with for something you have no frame of reference besides some impressions about the device, but if you think you can handle some of the perceived drawbacks (personally i think the only drawback is the going back an album thing I mentioned a few pages ago) then go ahead and purchase it, you won't be disappointed.

That almost sounds religious, you're asking me to spend €840 on faith alone! Faith in random internet people that I don't know! Faith in people that I know are easily fooled, dismiss tangible measurements as useless, and deny the validity of double blind tests!
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

if you read the story behind this DAP you will see that is a diffrent product from any other out there.
Took him five years to develop and build and write his own program inside the ARM chip, so i belive that this may be a good one indeed.wink.gif

Oh my, you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

Then if this is the case, how difficult is to get one very respected guys here , a Tera Player owner and with the right gear run the RMAA test so we can all be aware if this worth the money or not.Simple isn't it?

post #568 of 1958
11/27/12 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Then if this is the case, how difficult is to get one very respected guys here , a Tera Player owner and with the right gear run the RMAA test so we can all be aware if this worth the money or not.Simple isn't it?

I'd say the difficulty is to find someone who bought the Tera Player AND who cares about measurements AND who knows how to properly make them. The problem is that only an audiophile would buy it, and like I said, audiophiles usually dismiss measurements and certainly don't care to take the time to make them.

You know what? Somebody should just ship a Tera Player to anythingbutipod.com for review! I guess they can be trusted to ship it back to its owner, more than some random dude. I'd offer to make RMAA measurements myself, but 1) I'm a random dude, and 2) my PC sound card is decent but not stellar.
Edited by skamp - 11/27/12 at 6:10am
post #569 of 1958
11/27/12 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Then if this is the case, how difficult is to get one very respected guys here , a Tera Player owner and with the right gear run the RMAA test so we can all be aware if this worth the money or not.Simple isn't it?
Wait,...you mean after all this time no one has bothered to take this revolutionary & amazing sounding player and do any RMAA testing on it? It could ONLY prove it's superiority, so why hasn't it been done already. Or, is the fact harder to swallow than the fiction. Raving about how good it sounds means nothing - PROVE it's an amazing product by having someone do the testing. A NEUTRAL party,...rolleyes.gif
Edited by tds101 - 11/27/12 at 6:23am
post #570 of 1958
11/27/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 View Post

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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

Then if this is the case, how difficult is to get one very respected guys here , a Tera Player owner and with the right gear run the RMAA test so we can all be aware if this worth the money or not.Simple isn't it?
Wait,...you mean after all this time no one has bothered to take this revolutionary & amazing sounding player and do any RMAA testing on it? It could ONLY prove it's superiority, so why hasn't it been done already. Or, is the fact harder to swallow than the fiction. Raving about how good it sounds means nothing - PROVE it's an amazing product by having someone do the testing. A NEUTRAL party,...rolleyes.gif

Maybe the owners of the Tera Player are to busy and happy listening to their DAP and can't be bothered to waste any time with RMAA tests when they can listen to music right?

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