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post #466 of 1958

Nice review. May I suggest editing the video in future reviews? you cant see the Tera Player when you're telling about the different buttons. 

 

Also, it's a mini-USB cord, not micro. Micro-USB cords go into a port thats not as tall as the mini-USB port is.

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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

My YouTube Review, i did not have time to write one:

Youtube Video removed for Quote

 

How did the Tera Player do with the ASG-1's? I haven't gotten my AS-1's yet so I am kinda curious.

post #467 of 1958
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


I downloaded your file and it played just fine on my Tera-Player.

Damn.  Another possible reason to buy one foiled!  Thanks for confirming.

post #468 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Chucky-X View Post

Step by step, first you catch the snake, then you press the oil out of it, then you taste it and if you survive you don't want to know the other steps it takes to make a Tera-Player

I'm surprised no-one read this as an admission by its maker that the Tera Player is basically snake oil. He touts the Koss Porta Pro as THE reference headphones, and he makes a version of his player with a patch of pink fur on top. How can anyone take it seriously? He's not just selling snake oil, he's downright trolling! At first I thought it was a joke, until I saw that some people actually bought the thing!
Edited by skamp - 10/23/12 at 2:44am
post #469 of 1958
The pink fur is a joke as it has no price but the rest is legit and it is insanely good, headfonia put it other dx1000 in terms of sound.
post #470 of 1958

People read into jokes or statements however they like.  People have an emotional feedback without proper evidence.  I do not think a reputable site like this would allow a thread like this if there was any hint of wrongdoing.

 

My dealings with Altmann Micro Machines have been nothing but professional.  I have not heard this controversial device yet, but I do not think reputable members giving positive feedback on this product are all conspiring to sell a few of these boutique products.  Nobody is forcing this device on you.  There are plenty of great DAP's out there.  I look forward to the X3.  I look forward to Rockboxing my next Rockboxable device.  I made a bank transfer without any hesitation because of the reputations of members on this site and Mr. Altmann.

 

I have ordered from ALO Audio, Moon Audio & Ray Samuels Audio.  They have all been great and professional.  I list Altmann Micro Machines right on par with the big boys with a little higher customer service and personal attention since this is a boutique shop.  Cables sold from these above companies are of questionable value and can be labeled as 'snake oil' because it is questionable if HQ cables even make a difference, but there is no outcry for these products.  People still buy them.  Myself included.  It is just the nature of audio products.  It is what it is.

 

I don't understand the criticism in the Pink Fur, but it does not affect me on a emotional level.  I just bypass it and look at the big picture.  I do though understand the criticism in the price.  But this is a boutique product, hand-made, hand-crafted with 3-4 years of research and refinement.  If I had the skills and knowledge to even duplicate this process, it would surely exceed the current price and time for this device to replicate it myself.  This does not affect me much either because I am use to buying furniture from Germany which cost 3-5x the price I can get locally.  I know what I am getting for the price and I accept it.  There are many great underestimated products from this country.

 

I am sure people on this site will have an emotional reaction when they see Bose in your signature, but there will not be an outcry over it.

 

I look forward to being a proud Tera-Player owner in about 2-3 weeks.  If there is any hint of wrongdoing, I will not hesitate to make an outcry.  Enjoy your Bose.


Edited by Tera-Fi - 10/23/12 at 4:55am
post #471 of 1958

Shun the non-believer!!!! shun!!!

 

It's funny you think anything but good things about the player. I can admit 100% I was extremely disappointed with my Tera Player the first day I had it. Took me three days and I was singing along to the sweet beautiful music. It's so clean of background noise for the most part and I literally put the Tera Player in the same pocket as my cell phone and never get any interference. This little device is amazing. Screens are so last decade. :-D

 

In all seriousness, I would buy another Tera Player if I ever had the need for two. Right now I only need one and I absolutely love it. 

 

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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

I'm surprised no-one read this as an admission by its maker that the Tera Player is basically snake oil. He touts the Koss Porta Pro as THE reference headphones, and he makes a version of his player with a patch of pink fur on top. How can anyone take it seriously? He's not just selling snake oil, he's downright trolling! At first I thought it was a joke, until I saw that some people actually bought the thing!
post #472 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

The pink fur is a joke as it has no price but the rest is legit and it is insanely good, headfonia put it other dx1000 in terms of sound.

Really enjoyed your video.  I like the intro where you are just enjoying the music before you speak.

 

But it maybe better to refer to 'Charles' by name or 'Mr. Altmann' instead of 'The German' :)

 

I am preparing by reading the manual as the T-P is own its way and your video pretty much put it in a 'real world' perspective instead just visualising the product and it's interactions.

 

Thanks for the vid & special thanks also to 'Andrew: T-P #2' whom contributed greatly in the original thread on the virtues of the T-P for lending you the product to review.  It is great to see him still in support of this player and this thread in a indirect way.

post #473 of 1958
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

I'm surprised no-one read this as an admission by its maker that the Tera Player is basically snake oil. He touts the Koss Porta Pro as THE reference headphones, and he makes a version of his player with a patch of pink fur on top. How can anyone take it seriously? He's not just selling snake oil, he's downright trolling! At first I thought it was a joke, until I saw that some people actually bought the thing!

Mr Altmann has a very droll sense of humor! Also, don't knock the pink fur, I found that it matches my lipstick shade and handbag perfectly!
post #474 of 1958
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


Mr Altmann has a very droll sense of humor! Also, don't knock the pink fur, I found that it matches my lipstick shade and handbag perfectly!

 

 

Stop.  I just regurgitated my dinner.  Possible other uses is an hair piece or chest hair if you wear the 'Pink Fur' T-P in the shirt pocket.

 

I love the constructive criticism by qusp and goodvibes.  Qusp especially brings up good points against this player and you need to weigh those into your purchase decision.  So qusp's solid audio technical background 'against' argument > Bose's 'Pink Fur' 'against' argument.

 

On another note, I noticed you paired the Thunderpants with the T-P.  I am currently super interested in the Mad Dogs or LFF Paradox.  I noticed you use the T-P near or at full volume with the T-P.  Since these phones are super power hungry, does the T-P at full volume play with enough authority?

 

It is too late to change to v1 since it was shipped out yesterday.


Edited by Tera-Fi - 10/23/12 at 8:54am
post #475 of 1958

Never tried the T-P with modded Fostex headphones. But I do know Mr. Speakers (aka Dan) from picking him up from his hotel and going to a head-fi meet up. We had a long discussion on the drive about what he does and other audio related stuff. I have heard the Mad Dogs and they are quite nice. Didn't even have the Tera Player on my radar at that time though. Anyways, the point is its a 50-ohm headphone. From what I learned, the orthodynamic driver acts like a resistor. It only needs the 50 Ohm's, nothing more. Any more power and it's not really being utilized. But I can say that they are definitely full-sized headphones. I personally wouldnt really care if the T-P could drive them as I wouldn't use them anywhere but in a stationary position/desktop rig.

 

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Originally Posted by Tera-Fi View Post

 

 

Stop.  I just regurgitated my dinner.  Possible other uses is an hair piece or chest hair if you wear the 'Pink Fur' T-P in the shirt pocket.

 

I love the constructive criticism by qusp and goodvibes.  Qusp especially brings up good points against this player and you need to weigh those into your purchase decision.  So qusp's solid audio technical background 'against' argument > Bose's 'Pink Fur' 'against' argument.

 

On another note, I noticed you paired the Thunderpants with the T-P.  I am currently super interested in the Mad Dogs or LFF Paradox.  I noticed you use the T-P near or at full volume with the T-P.  Since these phones are super power hungry, does the T-P at full volume play with enough authority?

 

It is too late to change to v1 since it was shipped out yesterday.

post #476 of 1958
I sent Charles a link to the video and he liked it and I am glad you did too. I would have liked to have written a review but did not have enough time. Yeh Andy is great and he sent it to me just to try not even to review but I chose to as that's what I do wink.gif he even threw in some awesome organic lollipops for me and my dad and some amp bands. Awesome guy! Awesome DAP! I have the hippo biscuit now and when I try I hope it peforms like very young siblings g, if you enjoy and can live with it then maybe you should get the TP, I am Hoping it sound nice anyway!

That probably did not make sense I am tired and good night!
post #477 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Tera-Fi View Post


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On another note, I noticed you paired the Thunderpants with the T-P.  I am currently super interested in the Mad Dogs or LFF Paradox.  I noticed you use the T-P near or at full volume with the T-P.  Since these phones are super power hungry, does the T-P at full volume play with enough authority?
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It depends on the level of the recorded material prior to ripping. At full volume on my v0 Tera, some of my .wav rips play much louder than I would ever listen, while the lowest level of my rips plays slightly louder than my usual listening level. I have never detected any clipping with any of my phones when using the Tera. As I am using an inexpensive USB CD player for my ripping, I have no means of varying the output of the player, hence the varying levels of my rips.

The Thunderpants are the most difficult to drive of any circumaural phones phones that I have tried thus far. (Of course my HE6 and K1000 are not considered). I can't speak for the MD or Paradox, but would assume them to be about the same as the Thunderpants. The Tera easily drives both my Sony F1 and Shure SRH 1840 with authority. All IEM's, even the 150 ohm PK1's, are driven effortlessly at nowhere near full volume.

Of all my phones, the Audeo PFE 232 is my favorite when paired with the Tera-Player. The sense of dimension and timbral accuracy are absolutely stunning. I debated long and hard prior to purchasing the 232, but I am very glad that I did. In addition to the superb sound, they are "all-day" comfortable.
Edited by HiFlight - 10/23/12 at 1:35pm
post #478 of 1958
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Never tried the T-P with modded Fostex headphones. But I do know Mr. Speakers (aka Dan) from picking him up from his hotel and going to a head-fi meet up. We had a long discussion on the drive about what he does and other audio related stuff. I have heard the Mad Dogs and they are quite nice. Didn't even have the Tera Player on my radar at that time though. Anyways, the point is its a 50-ohm headphone. From what I learned, the orthodynamic driver acts like a resistor. It only needs the 50 Ohm's, nothing more. Any more power and it's not really being utilized. But I can say that they are definitely full-sized headphones. I personally wouldnt really care if the T-P could drive them as I wouldn't use them anywhere but in a stationary position/desktop rig.

 

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Yeah, from the readings, he seems like a good guy with a solid rep.  His business looks to be taking off since adding production capacity and reducing the price by $50 because of increase volume.  I just like the philosophy behind the mod in general and the value in this product.  The other mods are almost twice as much, so not as good an value.

 

It looks like I have to give up on this idea.  I do not want to cross the line back into the transportable realm and stay portable.  I agree with some on the points in the "HF, it is too silly" thread and I am past the transportable phase at this point in this hobby.  Main factor is the power to drive them, and secondary is the size issue.  I will just stick with my original plan.  It is just so fortunate that the T-P is even an option.

 

I noticed you mentioning buying another T-P if the need arises...  If things go well with the T-P.  I may set a contingent plan in one-year to purchase another one as backup.  I do not know the market for these DAC's, but they seem somewhat limited.  The X3 looks promising and seems like a good complement, but it will likely need a bulky amp and LOD.  Just not into that those added features anymore.

 

I am going to start preparing the SD card.  I purchased a Sandisk SDXC Extreme and a Sandisk USB hub, so I will report back on how that goes.  It is so nice this has two true audio clocks.  No need to worry too much about converting sample rates.

 

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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


It depends on the level of the recorded material prior to ripping. At full volume on my v0 Tera, some of my .wav rips play much louder than I would ever listen, while the lowest level of my rips plays slightly louder than my usual listening level. I have never detected any clipping with any of my phones when using the Tera. As I am using an inexpensive USB CD player for my ripping, I have no means of varying the output of the player, hence the varying levels of my rips.
The Thunderpants are the most difficult to drive of any circumaural phones phones that I have tried thus far. (Of course my HE6 and K1000 are not considered). I can't speak for the MD or Paradox, but would assume them to be about the same as the Thunderpants. The Tera easily drives both my Sony F1 and Shure SRH 1840 with authority. All IEM's, even the 150 ohm PK1's, are driven effortlessly at nowhere near full volume.
Of all my phones, the Audeo PFE 232 is my favorite when paired with the Tera-Player. The sense of dimension and timbral accuracy are absolutely stunning. I debated long and hard prior to purchasing the 232, but I am very glad that I did. In addition to the superb sound, they are "all-day" comfortable.

 

One of my key factors in deciding to go with the v0 was the hearing loss factor.  I did not want to be tempted by the increase volume.  Especially with rips of varying loudness.  I am going to give up on this idea of the modded Fostex.  I do not want to be switching songs at full volume.  The T-P seems to be really well-built if no clipping on all your phones.  I was interested in some very-sensitive IEMs that some have hiss issues.  It will be interesting to see if this also occurs on the T-P.

 

Yes, they should behave the same across the board in theory.

 

I wish I had options in the IEM market.  Because of my left ear health condition, I am only limited to the Final Audio Design products since they sit in the ear canal and have no isolation.  That is fine though because they have the sound signature I am seeking.

 

http://final-audio-design.com/en/archives/902

http://www.head-fi.org/t/613641/final-audio-design-appreciation-discussion-thread

 

I cannot even use my ERP4 anymore.  I can, but risk reaggravating.  I believe vert had similar positive impressions as you in earlier posts in this thread.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/599685/altmann-tera-player/30

 

He used the same 232 in comparing with his / her expensive home audio setup.

 

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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

I sent Charles a link to the video and he liked it and I am glad you did too. I would have liked to have written a review but did not have enough time. Yeh Andy is great and he sent it to me just to try not even to review but I chose to as that's what I do wink.gif he even threw in some awesome organic lollipops for me and my dad and some amp bands. Awesome guy! Awesome DAP! I have the hippo biscuit now and when I try I hope it peforms like very young siblings g, if you enjoy and can live with it then maybe you should get the TP, I am Hoping it sound nice anyway!
That probably did not make sense I am tired and good night!

 

No, the video was a nice change of pace.  That makes much more sense that Mr. Andrew did not send it for you to review.  That would seem out of character from reading his posts.  Even though he expelled the virtues of the T-P, he did not at once try to push the product onto anymore and even try to get a reduction in price for members of this site.  Yes, seems like an awesome bloke.

 

I was a bit worried that when you first received the player that impressions would be soso, but I got hints on other threads before your video that the results were positive.  This was before my official purchase.  I have since purchased this controversial product.

 

What helped me also was you mentioned that this player was not warm.  I was worried because the IEMs on my radar maybe on the warm side.  I was reading warm and warm do not mix well.

 

It made enough sense, hope you got some well-deserved good rest.

post #479 of 1958
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post

At full volume on my v0 Tera, some of my .wav rips play much louder than I would ever listen, while the lowest level of my rips plays slightly louder than my usual listening level. […] As I am using an inexpensive USB CD player for my ripping, I have no means of varying the output of the player, hence the varying levels of my rips.

You're not supposed to. You're supposed to use Replaygain. But I guess that's not an option with the Tera Player.
post #480 of 1958
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You're not supposed to. You're supposed to use Replaygain. But I guess that's not an option with the Tera Player.

Replay gain is an option on one of my ripping programs. I haven't tried it yet, but will with my next rips. I just hope it doesn't set everything to the lowest or show any negative effects of compression or expansion.
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