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kenman345 
Again I gotta ask if you even attempted to read the last 10-20 pages of this thread if not the entire thread. You'd have learned on his computer that it comes up as normal text to him but bold to everyone else. In my case, I did it because I can.
Again, if someone writes something patently ridiculous that I can answer simply and clearly, I will do so. I do not care if the reply was given 10 or 20 pages before.
You question our judgement and refer to other sites as reference to how bad the product is. Other sites have praised the Tera Player, but almost every review has said this is not a device for everyone, but to a more select segment of the audio community.
Sorry: you have misuderstood what I have very deeply.
Fact is, If you don't trust our ears the first thing you should've done is ask if their were measurements done on the Tera Player
Ok:
1. You are assuming that I have not seen measurements; you remember the ass-u-me thing from that movie..?
2. You seem not to have heard of Internet search engines; seriously - why would anyone ask the above when they could google?
3. You are making a much deeper error even than either of the two points above imply: heavy, heavy hint: READ THE LINK I GAVE.
and if their was anyone around you that might be willing to meet up and let you take a listen.
I would love to hear one - I'd do a blind test to make sure I eliminated any biases I might have. But I'm in the NW of the UK rather than NY or California, and I really doubt Tera's are easy to find.
It seems like from the first post you made on this thread you've done nothing but try to stir the pot. I would've welcomed your quest for measurements if you went about this differently. Now I don't care if what you truly want is measurements because you have attacked us owners.
Well, yes, I understand that you feel that way - but you are being silly. I have good reason - VERY good reason (which you still don't understand because you haven't looked at the link!) to believe that the player is at best ordinary sounding. I was then put in a situation, not of my own choice, where I had to either be a hypocrite and a shill, or to say that, yes, I think people who have the player and think it sounds great are wrong. (LOOK AT THE LINK!)
Look, I'll really simplify this to the bare essentials:
1. Blind testing has proven, beyond a doubt, that people can't tell the difference between good $50 CD players and $6000 ones. Or between $200 receiver amps and $10,000 paired monoblocks. The owners of these components were sure they could tell the difference, but couldn't when tested blind. So, yes, of course I place a heavy discount on your subjective opinion.
2. A Sansa Clip+ already has jitter and noise that beneath the threshold where they can make an audible difference. There is literally no room to improve any aspect of DAP performance so that its audible beyond what the Clip+ can do. So when you say that you can hear a difference, then, especially given (1) I am sceptical. Extremely. Cheap digital electronics have been excellent ever since the advent of op amps with fast slew rates; ever since then the link in the chain that has been preventing perfect audio reproduction is the transducer.
3. People have made identical claims for other "audiophile" players, and these players have in several case turned out to measurably flawed. So again, the opinion of owners means little to me. There is a certain group of people who will buy expensive audio hardware they do not understand and then respond strongly, very strongly, to the placebo effect. You might not want to think that you are in this group, but looking at it objectively, you may be able to understand why I am doubtful of this.
4.This player is aimed at people who want to listen to WAVs - but in blind tests, no one can tell the difference between WAVs and 320 aac, let alone FLAC. I think anyone would therefore see this player as a deliberate play on the gullible.
5. The marketing for the Tera makes a big play about 24/192. Does anyone else hear understand sampling theory? I doubt it! The only point to sampling at 192 would be to provide recordings for bats: for the ranges of sounds that humans can hear it is pointless. In fact, it's worse - unless you filter out the extra information you have gathered you increase distortion products that will affect the audible range!
So, from your pov this is about ego. Well, from mine its about knowledge.You guys may be nice people, you may own lots of hifi equipment, but you don't understand very basic facts about digital signals and electronics. It's not that I am arrogant - I know that I know rather little in fact - but I do know enough to see that things are not right here, and that no intelligent person would be swayed by your subjective opinions because, hey, see (1). Really - you seem like a nice person and I don't want to upset you, but, hey, objective truth is important too!
Edited by scuttle - 3/1/13 at 12:45pm
