Altmann Tera Player - Page 129  

And yet another person on the internet who is right above everyone else, your word is law obviously eh !

 

I don't know how to respond to your post. All it means is that you disagree with me, aren't capable of defending your own position intelligently, and resent me as a result. You might not like that the history of blind testing says that people who claim to hear magic properties that can't be tested for are always wrong, but it is simply a fact. If you can't accept reality, then neither reality or I care.

 

...Although I suppose I am at least mildly amused!

See, this is where I stop, it is so pointless even forming an intelligent retort to you as your so entrenched in a fatally flawed empirical belief system.
Your childish superiority and condescension of anyone who dares to disagree with you and challenge your thoughts is infantile in the extreme, you are now blocked and I suggest you do the same with me!
Oh, one last thought.. I suggest you "Scuttle" back to the sound science forum where you can feel nice and safe and superior with your empirical knowledge, that will leave the rest of us to enjoy our non measured music in peace!
Edited by ianmedium - 3/1/13 at 7:59am

Please everyone excuse me for feeding the troll....

 

This isn't religion, this is audio. Frankly, if a device that's $1100 USD makes me happy, i don't care how it measures. No matter what you say, even if their is no hard facts, I am gonna use whatever device and combination of devices that makes me happy. I don't tell you how to spend your money and what is worth it or not. I leave that for anyone to decide, just give them the information I have about a product or the science behind it. If you wanna start an argument about why no one should buy this player, be my guest, so far it's only helped Charles get more sales. You efforts will be fruitless as you only are bringing more attention to a device you say has a "silly price" and that we are unintelligent for our purchases. With the amount of hours I've enjoyed the Tera Player in only 6 months, I would say I got my moneys worth. 

 

This thread is a means to help talk about an extreme niche player, if you wanna request measurements, please do so. I can't argue with that, but don't call those who have enjoyed our purchases unintelligent and been duped. I haven't seen Elvis and I've never paid attention to Scientology so I can't comment on that, but the thing is I own a Tera Player, I've heard and experienced it's many qualities. If I said that Elvis was alive, and that I have pictures with him and talked with him, and showed you them, then you'd believe me right? Now substitute Elvis with "Tera Player" and "alive" with "great" and "him" with "it" and "talked" with "listened".......Now believe that, or don't. I can't make up your mind just as much as you wont make mine up. 

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I find it kinda amusing when someone comes into a thread that probably is considered to have some of the more "elitist" thinking people on head-fi (portable rig wise) and then they act more superior to us. Don't they realize this isn't a competition?

Edited by kenman345 - 3/1/13 at 7:56am

Maybe its not scuttle's fault after all, maybe it is the bad sound quality he is currently experiencing that does make him a bit aggressive.

scuttle,

 

Had you bothered reading through this thread you'd have noted that your "arguments" are repeatedly proffered by the quantitative obsessives who need to measure a DAP with RMAA to validate it sonically, as they do not trust their own hearing to decide what sounds good or not. So your post adds nothing to this debate.

 

You'd have also noted that a number of well respected head-fi members who've owned the DX100, HM-801 and AK100, have all unanimously preferred the sound of their Tera Players to the aforementioned devices. Moreover, to imply that these people are idiots and have been duped for purchasing an admittedly high cost DAP based on it's sound quality alone is disingenuous and quite frankly rude.

 

Andy.

 

Edited by smial1966 - 3/1/13 at 9:29am

 

This is pettishness taken to the point of self parody. Firstly no one reads all of a 129 page thread before posting! Secondly if X is a relevant reply to Y, it doesn't matter if has been said before. If anyone should keep their mouth shut it's the guy uselessly saying Y, hmm? Except, I suppose, you feel the Y Guy should be immune from criticism if he is agreeing with you...

 

No, that's not what I am saying. I'm saying not that I don't trust my ears but that I don't trust yours. Because whenever people like you are are put to the test they are wrong. Read the Richard Clarke link.

 

 

Well respected by who? For what reason? How can someone become "well respected" for the act of buying things? If you want to talk about people who are genuinely worthy of respect, more or less the entire membership of the AES think that people like are you crazy and fooling yourselves:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

 

And the people on anythingbutipod who actually understand players well enough to review them seriously (virtually none of you people even use a sine wave sweep to EQ out your own ear cavity spikes) consider these same players an expensive joke.

 

Look: I get that telling someone they have wasted their money will make them feel bad. But honest debate does benefit those people have not yet blown a thousand bucks on a player with eg mostly average performance marred by poorly implemented jittering! And if you say "Damn the science, my ears say that it sounds good" - well, you have to act like a big boy when someone asks whether this really means a damn.

 

As for my use of "idiots": yes, I do consider it reasonable to say that if there is one positive review on the Internet of a DAC that tests badly that this review may have been written by an idiot! Frankly, if you think that is impossible I question your common sense.

 

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Edited by scuttle - 3/1/13 at 10:10am

scuttle,

 

I find your needlessly aggressive tone to be very boorish and irreverent. Such rudery really isn't necessary you know. 

 

Frankly I don't give a damn whether you trust my ears or not, as I know what sounds good to me and that's all that matters. Thus I and everyone else that's listened to the Tera Player adore it's beguiling sound, and those yet to have had this privilege besmirch us for eulogizing about it out of ignorance, empirical obsession or envy.  

 

Andy. 

 

I wonder, though: who are we supposed to trust? Take the iPod for instance. Some say it sounds great, others say it sounds horrible. Who's right? I guess everyone needs to figure out who shares their tastes and who doesn't, but that's hardly an exact science (pardon the pun)...

In any case, spending over a grand on audio gear is a tough gamble!

 

Ok:

 

1. You're the guy who writes in bold all the time. If you don't understand why this is rude (and looks to be honest, rather self-important in a very flaccid way) then I am sorry for you.

 

2. Disagreeing with you may make you feel bad. However, it is not "rudery" - or even, translated out of Comics Guy Talk, "rudeness."

 

3. If you really "didn't give a damn" then you wouldn't reply; indeed the silliest thing you can do on the Internet that doesn't involve posting naked pictures of yourself (and please do not take that as a challenge) is to write an angry I-don't-give-a-damn. I do give a damn, because I don't like the thought of people wasting money. You give a damn because your ego is at stake. Let's at least be honest, hmm?

Edited by scuttle - 3/1/13 at 11:27am

 

Well, there are things you can look at other than taste. For example, noise levels - the iPod is very good here. Jitter - it tests below inaudible levels. That's great. Power of the amp - so-so. Impedance? Too high for typical IEMs; you'll get distortion resulting in veiling if you don't use a parametric EQ to compensate - and you can look at a frequency graph and confirm this. Of course, +90% of people here don't understand the stuff they are buying well enough to do that. But if you did, you could then ask yourself whether you cared about the likely degree of veiling (which might depend for example on how you to intend to use it) or whether you are willing to fix it using EQ - which will mean Rockboxing unless the iPod is a Touch and so can install apps. Actually knowing stuff other what's FOTM  can actually be useful!

 

Other things people should probably know are things like what  the difference between a class A and a class AB amp is... Because I'm virtually certain most of them think it is a grade and the class A is worth paying more for, when it's actually a sort of electronic cripple of an amp design - one designer of classic valve gear compares the class A to a cyclist with only one leg. 

Again I gotta ask if you even attempted to read the last 10-20 pages of this thread if not the entire thread. You'd have learned on his computer that it comes up as normal text to him but bold to everyone else. In my case, I did it because I can.

 

You question our judgement and refer to other sites as reference to how bad the product is. Other sites have praised the Tera Player, but almost every review has said this is not a device for everyone, but to a more select segment of the audio community. Fact is, If you don't trust our ears the first thing you should've done is ask if their were measurements done on the Tera Player and if their was anyone around you that might be willing to meet up and let you take a listen. It seems like from the first post you made on this thread you've done nothing but try to stir the pot. I would've welcomed your quest for measurements if you went about this differently. Now I don't care if what you truly want is measurements because you have attacked us owners. It's ego minded I guess, but if you want to get information from someone on a site dedicated to serving its community, where everyone is relatively peaceful and participates in intelligent conversations as a means to developing their own knowledge and personal enjoyment, simply asking would've been enough. Instead you took the opportunity to make things hostile, this is your own fault that we give a damn, as you've attacked our ego. I talk to many of the members that post regularly on this thread and they've all been nothing but extremely nice and willing to talk and chat about all types of things. I've shared links with members and they with me that have opened my eyes to music I never knew or cared for before that. 

The BB code editor mode will show that his posts are full of [ B ] [ /B ] tags. Somehow he activates the bold mode.

scuttle,

 

I have no wish to become embroiled in a pointless discussion with you. So good luck with your trolling but please take it elsewhere. 

Oh yes, occasionally using a dictionary can be beneficial to ones vocabulary - http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/rudery

 

Andy. 

 

If you'd kindly tell me how to deactivate it, I'll gladly switch off the bold text mode.

 

Andy.