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I guess my point is the higher the price goes the higher the critic and attacks rates. 

Simply put cannot know where does the 1K is spend when I look at the product

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Originally Posted by audionewbi 

My friend than you are any business dream customer. The entire point of this forum is to ask question and look for answer so we know that we are getting the best we can without getting ripped of.

 

As I explain in an PM  to a member there is no doubt Altera sounds good however what I am fearful of is is it 1000 dollar good? I know if I spend a grand over something chances are I will likely over-exaggrat a little as not doing so will be psychologically torture!
 

I will keep quiet till I buy this unit, however in my book sound is not the entire thing, a good UI is essential in the over-all music experience. If out of 10 i would rate sound as 5, UI as 2, build as 3! 
 

Hello 

I can share my over 30 years of having hi-fi as a hobby that you'd trust no one until you have audition the set up (regardless of a home system or a portable set) with your ear, nothing before that is guaranteed. Period.

No one could manage your perceived impression and only you could tell.  

Having said that, in this hobby, there's very high chance of investing into something that is a mis-fit to your system or not to your liking when plugged in to your set up.  That's the harsh reality of life in this hobby.  

When looking at the forum, there are two extremist groups and one looking for facts and measurements and while the other, like me, just looking for results.  Nothing wrong with both in fact.  However, regardless of which group that we belong to, we still own more than one DAP, one headphone ...because we all felt there are always be something different, not necessarily better, out there.  That's how manufacturers psycho manipulation comes into play.

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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon 

Hello 

 

I can share my over 30 years of having hi-fi as a hobby that you'd trust no one until you have audition the set up (regardless of a home system or a portable set) with your ear, nothing before that is guaranteed. Period.

 

No one could manage your perceived impression and only you could tell.  

 

Having said that, in this hobby, there's very high chance of investing into something that is a mis-fit to your system or not to your liking when plugged in to your set up.  That's the harsh reality of life in this hobby.  

 

When looking at the forum, there are two extremist groups and one looking for facts and measurements and while the other, like me, just looking for results.  Nothing wrong with both in fact.  However, regardless of which group that we belong to, we still own more than one DAP, one headphone ...because we all felt there are always be something different, not necessarily better, out there.  That's how manufacturers psycho manipulation comes into play.

Thanks fore your reply I truly appreciate it. I need to apologies and say I do not mean any ill world towards anyone. I did not want to post in here as I was scared of creating uneeded argument. When I want to buy a product I read and read and read and ask question and basically make the guy selling me the product go nuts. Yes I am that kind of a customer. And I share whatever I can about that product to the most objective way I can. I agree that my objectivity is based on my subjective nature however there are certain things which we can be objective about. One is part used, if the parts. 

I do not have a problem with people wanting to make profit, my most favourite DAP is Rocoo BA which has probably 40-80 dollars worth of part in it, I do realize parts is not important as how it is implement however after a certain price point my skeptic nature will go on over-load.

As a potential future customer I just want to reduce my regret margin.

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Originally Posted by audionewbi 

Thanks fore your reply I truly appreciate it. I need to apologies and say I do not mean any ill world towards anyone. I did not want to post in here as I was scared of creating uneeded argument. When I want to buy a product I read and read and read and ask question and basically make the guy selling me the product go nuts. Yes I am that kind of a customer. And I share whatever I can about that product to the most objective way I can. I agree that my objectivity is based on my subjective nature however there are certain things which we can be objective about. One is part used, if the parts. 

I do not have a problem with people wanting to make profit, my most favourite DAP is Rocoo BA which has probably 40-80 dollars worth of part in it, I do realize parts is not important as how it is implement however after a certain price point my skeptic nature will go on over-load.

As a potential future customer I just want to reduce my regret margin.

In fact sometimes that you might bump into a combo with excellent performance but not necessary expensive.  To spend the money in trying to solve your problem (deficiency of your set up) would never be a wise choice as the ultimate delivery [of the system] is the sum of total but not individual component in your set up.  You need to do a lot of auditions and having the new component plugs in to your current set up then you'll have high chance to find the right solution.

My current home set up is just a fraction of the previous system but performance wise, very close to what I used to have and in some areas even better (because of computation advancement of DAC over the years).

So, my suggestion is to have real life audition if you can to determine your next purchase.

I do admit that I took risk on the TP purchase and it was a decision that only myself accountable for.

For me, the Tera-maker, it is very interesting:

The Tera-Player has no screen.

No really, I mean ... I'm not joking this time, it has no screen !!!

The Tera-Player has zero support for many popular sound formats, like 3pm, flic-flac, alias, egg-vomit, loss-loss, as well as many others ...

The Tera-Player plays wav only through a real 16-bit DAC, not a 1..3 bit pseudo DAC like DAPs do.

Zero advertising is being made for the Tera-Player, neither on the internet, nor in printed magazines. 

No banners anywhere, No penetration.

Zero product-news are being sent out to inspectgadget, bimbam, hate-fruit or other splatter-websites.

No marketing efforts altogether, except the really simple Tera-Player.com website and my funny posts here, that just put many people off ;)

And still - against all odds - this thing got a great review on headfonia (there was a time here on head-fi when people were desperately crying out for an independent review, buh huh ...)

It later became - against all imaginable odds - product of the year on headfonia.

Many people are buying the Tera-Player and are really happy with it, enjoying music.

And then, those who have the Tera-Player longer and have learned to know it better and better and better, they even spend their spare-time here on head-fi, in order to explain others how the Tera-Player works, what it is supposed to be, what it is not supposed to be, in a helpful and uplifting fashion.

The Tera-Player achieved all this on its own account, just by its sheer sound quality.

In statistical terms this is highly improbable, it is absolutely absurd, it cannot be,

and yet .. it is.

Great post.

i personally found it hilarious when people took the pink fun fur model and black stealth seriously.

ExpatinJapan,

I genuinely thought that the black stealth version was for real!  What a knucklehead.

Cheers,

Andy.

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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan 

Great post.

 

i personally found it hilarious when people took the pink fun fur model and black stealth seriously.

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Originally Posted by KT66 


Not true , most retailers get 30 to 45 % gross margin at best , nothing compared to jewellery or clothing

Do not mean to offend.  Probably you have not get in touch with exotic cables and some would cost USD 20-40k.

Fortunately, in my old crazy days, I had not attended up to that level but my VDH MC Silver & Audio Note ANVZ interconnectors cost over USD 1.5k (each set) in 1999.  

You can see the margin can support the entire food chain even at 30-45% gross margin at retailer level, not to mention going up stream and the aggregate margin is tremendous.  For a non day-to-day consumption product category that serves only a hobby for some, a substantial margin is not unreasonable (don't mistaken me as one of the manufacturer or retailer, I'm not) in order to sustain the business.

I had a friend who used to be an agent on garment manufacturing.  He explained why clothing needs such a margin (2-4x) as each season's garment lifespan only lasts for that season but not beyond, imagine the possibility of unsold stock from different colors and sizes from one design.  

Sorry for taking too far away from what the thread is all about.  Only this time.

Cheers

HeadFiend,

This is just Charles being playful with his offbeat and irreverent sense of humor. 

Lighten up dude!

Cheers,

Andy. 

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Originally Posted by HeadFiend 


Why would you make fun of such great feats of technology? It's insulting to their creators, and uncalled for.

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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon 

Do not mean to offend.  Probably you have not get in touch with exotic cables and some would cost USD 20-40k.

 

Fortunately, in my old crazy days, I had not attended up to that level but my VDH MC Silver & Audio Note ANVZ interconnectors cost over USD 1.5k (each set) in 1999.  

 

You can see the margin can support the entire food chain even at 30-45% gross margin at retailer level, not to mention going up stream and the aggregate margin is tremendous.  For a non day-to-day consumption product category that serves only a hobby for some, a substantial margin is not unreasonable (don't mistaken me as one of the manufacturer or retailer, I'm not) in order to sustain the business.

 

I had a friend who used to be an agent on garment manufacturing.  He explained why clothing needs such a margin (2-4x) as each season's garment lifespan only lasts for that season but not beyond, imagine the possibility of unsold stock from different colors and sizes from one design.  

 

Sorry for taking too far away from what the thread is all about.  Only this time.

 

Cheers

The cure is to not buy those products you deem over priced. My view is buy local if you can and take advantage of a good dealer's service. Get your money's worth.

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Originally Posted by HeadFiend 


Why would you make fun of such great feats of technology? It's insulting to their creators, and uncalled for.

I think it is fair to say that Charles marches to the beat of his own drummer. Some people are on his wavelength, and some are not.