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post #1426 of 1958
2/7/13 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View PostI can't speak for any shady business or experiences you claim to have with getting measurements from other Tera Player owners, but I'll try my best to help you get what you are looking for, it's no money out of my pocket to do so.

I would be one of those "shady members", I like you was keen to get some measurements up regardless what they say because my ears say it's good. 

 

Unfortunately none of my FR graphs look right in two ways - there are significant (up to 10db) differences between the chanels at the same frequency and overall my graphs look spiky while all of the one's I've seen online do not (this applies to my C3 results too redface.gif)  Skamp said bad results help no-one so I'm not going to post them - I hope you have more success!

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post #1427 of 1958
2/7/13 at 7:35am

Didn't mean to call you any names, just the way it was explained from his point of view made it sound shady. I'll talk to my coworker, see what we can do. Not even sure I can get it done. Not sure what equipment he has.

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I would be one of those "shady members", I like you was keen to get some measurements up regardless what they say because my ears say it's good. 

 

Unfortunately none of my FR graphs look right in two ways - there are significant (up to 10db) differences between the chanels at the same frequency and overall my graphs look spiky while all of the one's I've seen online do not (this applies to my C3 results too redface.gif)  Skamp said bad results help no-one so I'm not going to post them - I hope you have more success!

post #1428 of 1958
2/7/13 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by suicidal_orange View Post

Skamp said bad results help no-one so I'm not going to post them

And I stand by that. I, myself, don't want to look silly by referring people to improper measurements.

I'm curious though, and maybe I can give you some input on those: would you mind linking me to them in PM?
post #1429 of 1958
2/7/13 at 7:58am

I think it will not take long and Skamp will have a Tera for his measurments and some listening too, as there are Tera's in France too ... they just have to find you ...

 

Skamp, I find your DAC test interesting, you're probably up to something, 

 

Charles :)

post #1430 of 1958
2/7/13 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

You're using devices not everyone is familiar with.

I answered that in the appropriate thread. Please direct all discussion about the test to that thread. No reason to pollute this one.
Edited by skamp - 2/7/13 at 8:05am
post #1431 of 1958
2/7/13 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Didn't mean to call you any names, just the way it was explained from his point of view made it sound shady. I'll talk to my coworker, see what we can do. Not even sure I can get it done. Not sure what equipment he has.

Haha, don't worry - it probably did look shady saying I'd do it then not!  I've sent skamp a PM with my dodgy graphs...

post #1432 of 1958
2/7/13 at 10:01am
suicidal_orange made a simple mistake, easily corrected. We're getting there. Thanks a lot to him for taking the time.
post #1433 of 1958
2/7/13 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

Thanks a lot to him for taking the time.

 

X2, thanks to him for his time & dedication, and to you for your support!  smile_phones.gif

 

Going by suicidal_orange's inventory, the Sony MH1C (15 ohms) and Klipsch Image X10 (50 ohms) seem to be his lowest and highest impedance phones. Would be great if these could be included in the tests.

post #1434 of 1958
2/7/13 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

X2, thanks to him for his time & dedication, and to you for your support!  smile_phones.gif

 

Going by suicidal_orange's inventory, the Sony MH1C (15 ohms) and Klipsch Image X10 (50 ohms) seem to be his lowest and highest impedance phones. Would be great if these could be included in the tests.

I think you'll find the vintage K340s at 400 ohms would be the highest, then the HD580 (don't think they're even listed...) at 300.  The HD580 were what I tried first as they're probably the most neutral but they weren't good ("The noise level and dynamic range seem really low, you sure the volume's up?" - skamp) so I've sent him files for Edition 8s (because I like the combo) and Phonak PFE because they're quite neutral, but I guess the MH1C would be interesting too.  Didn't realise they were so low!

post #1435 of 1958
2/7/13 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by suicidal_orange View Post

I think you'll find the vintage K340s at 400 ohms would be the highest, then the HD580 (don't think they're even listed...) at 300.

 

Ah, I stand corrected. Yep, the HD580 aren't listed and AKG K340 double as IEMs, whch were what came up in my quick search.

 

Anyway, at 15 ohms, the MH1C are closest to the 16 ohms IE800 I used for A/B listening, so these would indeed be interesting. Thanks!

post #1436 of 1958
2/9/13 at 2:49pm
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Skamp, -

are you in Paris / surroundings?

If you are, and if you have the time, come over to Brussels (next week-end, esp. Saturday, would be particularly convenient for me).

If your testing solution is portable, you will be able to run the tests; anyway you can count on subjective test of Tera Player (my files + anyCDs you bring along, my cans + whatever you bring along).

I'll throw in a selection of Belgian beer (not to be missed -  those guys here do know how to brew it), meals as required and a room to spend the night. If you wish to chip in, bring a bottle or two from the left bank vineyards.

post #1437 of 1958
2/9/13 at 2:58pm
Thanks for the invitation, but I'm nowhere near Belgium, and I'm not going to book several days and spend money on train tickets and a hotel room just to measure a DAP smily_headphones1.gif

suicidal_orange is working on it, and he already has some interesting preliminary results. I won't disclose them because he wants to wait until the measurements are the best possible.
post #1438 of 1958
2/9/13 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Ah, I stand corrected. Yep, the HD580 aren't listed and AKG K340 double as IEMs, whch were what came up in my quick search.

Anyway, at 15 ohms, the MH1C are closest to the 16 ohms IE800 I used for A/B listening, so these would indeed be interesting. Thanks!

I don't think the AKG K340's can be driven to a listening level by the Tera as they are one of the most difficult-to-drive circumaural cans ever built. (1st HE6, 2nd K1000, 3rd K340)

I have, in the past, owned 3 sets of them and they did require a substantial amplifier to perform in an acceptable manner.

They certainly are not in the IEM category by any stretch of the imagination!
post #1439 of 1958
2/9/13 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post

Thanks for the invitation, but I'm nowhere near Belgium, and I'm not going to book several days and spend money on train tickets and a hotel room just to measure a DAP smily_headphones1.gif

suicidal_orange is working on it, and he already has some interesting preliminary results. I won't disclose them because he wants to wait until the measurements are the best possible.

 

Fair enough, --

I could provide a room, but indeed I would not reimburse the train tickets or petrol; and I understand you are somewhere further away in the large and proud French Republic (still running on its 5th 'software' update now, isn't it? ;-).

I wait for the measurements, too, - although over time I have turned into a subjectivist (first by Lowthers, then by inductive volume control, and finally by 300Bs). 


Edited by Rudolfs - 2/9/13 at 3:22pm
post #1440 of 1958
2/10/13 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Not disagreeing with you about playback concerns. I think its more than just that though as I've mentioned converting FLAC to WAV and finding the same elements I detest about FLAC in the WAV files. But it's not always 100% there. Usually if a FLAC file is using the higher level of compression, I hear the differences more. If the FLAC file is using a low level compression, it's much less noticeable. I get it's lossless, I don't think that all lossless are the same, that's why they're not all the same format. They have their own ways of handling things and that gives different benefits and drawbacks to each. I'm not gonna not listen to a track if I only have it in FLAC and I like the music, I just don't search out FLAC files when exchanging music with friends.

I am a "wav to flac" kind of guy, just curious as to your impressions on Neil Young's possibly upcoming??? Pono(no "r") Player?   That would involve rerripping CD's too.

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