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post #1261 of 1958

Just ordered this little player moments ago. Been interested in it for a while. It will join the DX100, C4pro and the Studio V 3rd Ani.

 

Now the wait............


Edited by spkrs01 - 2/3/13 at 10:29pm
post #1262 of 1958
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Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

Wow,...such evasiveness,...so sad!!! I can't believe you guys, all the smoke screens & wordplay. 
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

...all smoke screens & wordplay  foodplay.
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Originally Posted by tds101 View Post

Lol!!! That too,...which really made no bloody sense. k701smile.gif

Here's more food play:

I have this same conversation with my 4 year old son every day.

"Eat it"
"No"
"Just eat it, it tastes good"
"I don't want to"
"Just try a bit, you'll like it"
"No, it has funny green bits"
"Oh for heaven sake just eat it, you'll like it"
"No, it's too hot"
"Try some and if you don't like it, you can leave it"

He tries some. It's gone in 10 seconds.

If you want to get to the bottom off the Tera Player abilities (if you are seriously considering buying it and not here only to satisfy intellectual curiousity), perhaps it's faster to look for one and to try it or test it yourself rather than to repeatedly demand for test results in a sarcastic way.

Also please have some respect for Charles which used food as a way to explain his design approach of using ears and not charts. He has made subjectively one of the finest players around today so who are you to make fun of his approach.

It's a privilege to have him take time, better spent elsewhere, to come here commenting and answering questions from time to time. I wouldn't be surprised if comments such as these and the overall negative comments that do not further the knowledge of player, destroy any goodwill we have leading him to abandon us.

I agree that tests are good and I look forward to them as much as the next fellow. It'll help me understand my Tera Player better and assist me to match components with it. That said, for me ultimately:

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
post #1263 of 1958
Sorry, but obscurantism is not defendable, and it should raise everyone's suspicions.
post #1264 of 1958
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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post

We can see from elsewhere in this forum on the AK-100 that there is an inherited output impedance deficiency.  The device still managed to gather some loyal fans and to have it modified by RWA and continue their joyful journey with music. Bad measurement, no problem, go for it, enjoy music is the ultimate goal.

Note that some people aren't buying the AK100 exactly for that reason, and others had to pay a couple hundred bucks more to fix a flaw that shouldn't have been there to begin with.

At least with the AK100, the flaw is known, and people can decide to buy it, to buy the Red Wine Audio mod, or not to buy any of those. With the TP, it's a mystery, as Charles and everyone else are evading requests for solid data, and one can only decide either to not buy it, or take a gamble for which there is no fix except to sell it back, at a loss.
post #1265 of 1958
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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post

So, buying his device would take the trust in him (his ears) and believe in this music instrument tuner's credibility.

Maybe you could trust him as far as the Koss Porta Pros are concerned, since that's the only pair of headphones that he used while tuning the TP. But how can you trust him with completely different headphones / IEMs that he did not test and that might not react the same way at all?

Also, why would I trust him to begin with? I don't know him. It's not like he has a serious reputation or any authority in the industry.
Edited by skamp - 2/4/13 at 1:27am
post #1266 of 1958

 So Skamp is it true that your main problem with the player is based on it's price and that all the owners really enjoy the sound it makes, regardless of the lack of measurements ?

 

 Personally i think the price is very reasonable given that it sounds so good. Top notch CD players cost many thousands, so it's not unreasonable to think that we may see daps in the range of 2-3k in the not too distant future. If they raise the SQ bar to a level similar to those CD players then i would pay the price....after listening of course.... I can't remember the last time i listened to any music with my eyes so the measurements wouldn't be a consideration...  See, the thing is whenever i have purchased based on measurements i have been thoroughly disappointed.

 

Some one recommended the Sansa Clip to me once... bloody awful...


Edited by Sauntere - 2/4/13 at 1:51am
post #1267 of 1958
I do have a problem with the price, personally, but everyone's free to spend their money as they see fit, and when you have a lot of disposable income, I guess it doesn't really matter. And if it turns out that the TP measures spectacularly, I would have even less of a problem with the price. I understand the appeal of complete overkill, I'm not completely rational 100% of the time myself.

No, my main problem is the complete lack of objective data and the fact that everyone is evading requests for it, Charles above everyone else. There's data available for most DAPs that are talked about in this forum, except for the TP.
Edited by skamp - 2/4/13 at 1:57am
post #1268 of 1958
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Originally Posted by skamp View Post


Maybe you could trust him as far as the Koss Porta Pros are concerned, since that's the only pair of headphones that he used while tuning the TP. But how can you trust him with completely different headphones / IEMs that he did not test and that might not react the same way at all?

Also, why would I trust him to begin with? I don't know him. It's not like he has a serious reputation or any authority in the industry.

Be patient to read my story...

 

I didn't know Jadis' designer, I did not know Linn's CD 12 detail design but I know I had more than 10 years (with the Jadis) and 8 years (with the Linn CD 12) ownership.  I did not even bother to looking at the spec but just love the music.  The system was so good that one buyer came in to my home 2 years ago (when I was trying to sell my CD12 to him) and at the end he took my whole system away...the music did the magic.  

 

I had the luxury, before the time I acquired the Jadis (JPS2S+JA100), to have different dealers lend me Audio Research, Krell, Jadis (can't remember another Italian brand valve amp) to test out at my home and ultimately I've found the valved amp performed the best (against the Krell that I used to have, Class A amp).  I did not even looking at the advertising leaflets that they gave me but to determine which one is best for me, with my ears.

 

Absolutely correct that no one would ever know the chemical result for plugging one device with another equipment and what the end result would come out until you've tried.  I went through this journey many many times over the course of 10 years that I owned my previous systems with different power cords, but not inter-connectors nor speaker cables (as I've got it right the very first time, lucky me).

 

Apparently in this forum, a lot of fellow head fiers owned multi devices and earphones.  With their collections, I bet not every combination would work as well as the other ...you win some and loose some.  This is one addiction of this hobby...there are always be variables.  

 

Whether you trust Charles or not, any other brand designers, 3rd party reviewers, it is not important.   Reviewers can only review equipment with the system that they owned.  Each component plugs into ones system generates different result and, it needs to suit the reviewer's taste.  The reviewer's reports just for leisure reading to occupy our hi fiers' time, nothing more.  Ultimately, what you'd hear and it counts...as the only performance begins at the time you plug that new acquisition into your "system" and play...where music starts.   

 

Before I decided on the TP, I spent weeks on the AK 100 forum to go through those hundred of pages and...came up with one opportunity in December...I spent 2 hours testing out my Sony PCM D50 against the AK100, side-by-side, with the same songs, over and over again, and decision was made... I've then move on [from the AK100 forum]...to make time for my music while awaiting the TP delivery.

 

Hope you'd enjoy more music rather than visual charts.  That would make you a happy person.

post #1269 of 1958
My point is that with objective data, I can get a pretty good idea of how well it will work with the gear that I already have, and whether I'm likely to enjoy it or not. For example, I like recessed mids, and I use an EQ with flat FR sources to achieve that. I would never buy a piece of gear that shows a big bump in the mids on a frequency response graph (like Hifimans with UE TF10s), no matter what everyone says.

I don't want to take chances or rely on purely subjective impressions of other people who used different pieces of gear, whose opinions can be interpreted a number of ways and are sometimes downright contradictory. Come on, is that so hard to understand? Objective data is more reliable and measurements are repeatable. Subjective impressions vary from one person to another, they're subject to interpretation, they don't always apply to the gear that I own, and thus they're simply unreliable.

Proper electronic gear is the result of proper science. Please disclose its scientific characteristics. You have nothing to lose, unless the gear is actually bad, which is why the lack of such data is highly suspicious.

Also, I do enjoy music very much, and I'm quite happy with both the music and the gear that I own.
Edited by skamp - 2/4/13 at 3:21am
post #1270 of 1958

Nice Home gear!!!

 

I think the name of the Italian tube amps is Unison Research. The Linn CD12 was quite an exceptional player, I never owned it but heard it many times. I was a Burmester 969/ 970 user at that period in time.

 

I agree totally, music is an art for the individual?!

 

 

 

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Edited by spkrs01 - 2/4/13 at 3:29am
post #1271 of 1958

Skamp you have probably been asked before... have you ever listened to the TP ?   Until you have and you can say that in your opinion it sounds terrible or great, and explain the sound (as others have done) anything you say just comes across as belligerent negativism.. Lets say the measurements come back as bad but the player sounds great to all who use it, what then ? I mean who really cares since we buy these things for musical enjoyment. 

post #1272 of 1958
It's pretty obvious that the points I'm trying to make are completely lost on most of you. Sigh. I'm really trying here.

As for getting first hand experience with the TP: sure, will you lend me one? Or do I have to spend €840 just to try it? No way Jose, are you kidding me?
post #1273 of 1958
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Originally Posted by Sauntere View Post

Until you have and you can say that in your opinion it sounds terrible or great, and explain the sound (as others have done) anything you say just comes across as belligerent negativism.

So the only valid opinions are those of people who have paid for it? Sounds like a scam to me.

Also, I haven't stated an opinion about the TP's sound quality, as I haven't heard it, and I have no data to determine whether it will sound good or bad to me and with what gear. From the beginning, I have only asked for objective data, which is a perfectly valid request, which has systematically been ignored, or turned down. Talk about negativism!

It's downright ridiculous that guys like me are considered to be the bad guys, when it is Charles (and others) who are being deliberately obscure about the TP's characteristics. Can't you see that? Open your eyes, geez.
post #1274 of 1958

Not exactly buy it , you can try to borrow one or measure one so to speak, hearing doesnt necessitate buying

post #1275 of 1958
I've already asked that, to no avail. I'm still up for it (listening to it subjectively, and making proper measurements). Feel free to PM me.
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